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Any objections? +</I>>>><i> Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced +</I>>>><i> patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is +</I>>>><i> fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is +</I>>>><i> weak, +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same +</I>>>><i> position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company +</I>>>><i> with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us +</I>>>><i> because we are competing with them ). +</I>>><i> Wel, i don't understand this. Last time we talked about patents +</I>>><i> in the nonfree+tainted discussions, concensus seemed to be that +</I>>><i> even if patents don't apply here (europe), we need to respect them. +</I>>><i> So do we or don't we? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> IIUC you suggest that cairo-dock* stays where it is? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, I think we said we would place packages with various problem +</I>><i> related to the law, and that could be patent or something else. +</I>><i> " +</I>><i> stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some +</I>><i> patent issues or other restrictions in other countries +</I>><i> " +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The whole point is what is exactly "patent issue". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One definition would be "someone found a patent related, that is +</I>><i> currently valid". That's one possibility. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another one would be "we have heard of a significant problem with +</I>><i> something", and that would be my position ( which is annoying, because +</I>><i> that's not a real good set of criteria to decide, and that just lack +</I>><i> precisions, too fuzzy ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On one hand, video codecs are a patent minefield ( mp3 story 10 years +</I>><i> ago, the story of the mpeg la patent pool bac in february this year, etc +</I>><i> ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On the other hand, interfaces didn't see much patents attack, from what +</I>><i> I know ( besides the whole samsung/apple case, but that's maybe more +</I>><i> subtle as that's "design patent", which is different from a software +</I>><i> patent ). But maybe I am wrong on that point, and indeed, not having +</I>><i> issues now doesn't mean we are safe later. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One example that was often given is the progress bar +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://badpatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/progress-bar.html">http://badpatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/progress-bar.html</A> ) and +</I>><i> despites it being expired now, no one ever did anything for that ( at +</I>><i> least, from what I know ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another example could be java ( Oracle vs Google case ), but the case is +</I>><i> more complex since Oracle own Java, and so the risk is quite low. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think we can agree that we should not place everything in tainted, or +</I>><i> that would just mean everybody will use and have tainted and that it +</I>><i> will be mirrored everywhere, thus making the distinction useless ( and I +</I>><i> personally still think that's not useful for now ). +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are +</I>>>><i> copyrighted ? +</I>>><i> Only linked the ml thread for the icons for reference. It is not said +</I>>><i> which are trademarked (and more important by whom) i guess it could +</I>>><i> be seen as a derivated work to the original lemmings game from DMA design. +</I>>><i> But as the game pingus is existing, and has not been sued, +</I>>><i> i don't think they have a valid point there. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe the problem is somewhere else, like a icon of windows, stuff like +</I>><i> that. Hence the question. +</I>><i> +</I>Take a look here: +<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html</A> + +and here: +<A HREF="http://opensource.org/docs/osd">http://opensource.org/docs/osd</A> + + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Using GnuPG with Mageia - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOu1ZzAAoJECPQsolLqbfHrH4IALXAkMnvU3BhWYDEuWdTPXaF +OYgvubcswYjzBgp3zSraEO2dt4fpQ1RQ1eIm7jdmWUJR2zfDqGuTcdZcMrGHa8re +FfQfOo6cQT8pLyoh3n+/vKuXDzHge5S4KifIRIIoDSWFNQ+8yZjnrv8rwOjVihBY +68Q47tZAHIPYSg850sDfHP1JwIUD4T3Ea/LCAt6Bj9uOE2cQrDDMCw05vRRToa+N +fmKtMB9MZnNbxlTKjKhTsHBS+DRbtzO6mIbH9A+pT9S495qn8Fz+92+21jbo6MYJ +xtIuT66kqkHJIRTMS8CFVM+Vi6FTV0uq547aLAeKnI+4SMUQsePt/LMIhSD+DEE= +=IVdQ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009466.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009460.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9457">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9457">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9457">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9457">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |