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Any objections? +</I>><i> > Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced +</I>><i> > patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is +</I>><i> > fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is +</I>><i> > weak, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same +</I>><i> > position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company +</I>><i> > with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us +</I>><i> > because we are competing with them ). +</I>><i> Wel, i don't understand this. Last time we talked about patents +</I>><i> in the nonfree+tainted discussions, concensus seemed to be that +</I>><i> even if patents don't apply here (europe), we need to respect them. +</I>><i> So do we or don't we? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IIUC you suggest that cairo-dock* stays where it is? +</I> +Well, I think we said we would place packages with various problem +related to the law, and that could be patent or something else. +" + stuff we think we can redistribute, but that may have some + patent issues or other restrictions in other countries +" + +The whole point is what is exactly "patent issue". + +One definition would be "someone found a patent related, that is +currently valid". That's one possibility. + +Another one would be "we have heard of a significant problem with +something", and that would be my position ( which is annoying, because +that's not a real good set of criteria to decide, and that just lack +precisions, too fuzzy ). + +On one hand, video codecs are a patent minefield ( mp3 story 10 years +ago, the story of the mpeg la patent pool bac in february this year, etc +). + +On the other hand, interfaces didn't see much patents attack, from what +I know ( besides the whole samsung/apple case, but that's maybe more +subtle as that's "design patent", which is different from a software +patent ). But maybe I am wrong on that point, and indeed, not having +issues now doesn't mean we are safe later. + +One example that was often given is the progress bar +( <A HREF="http://badpatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/progress-bar.html">http://badpatents.blogspot.com/2011/05/progress-bar.html</A> ) and +despites it being expired now, no one ever did anything for that ( at +least, from what I know ). + +Another example could be java ( Oracle vs Google case ), but the case is +more complex since Oracle own Java, and so the risk is quite low. + +I think we can agree that we should not place everything in tainted, or +that would just mean everybody will use and have tainted and that it +will be mirrored everywhere, thus making the distinction useless ( and I +personally still think that's not useful for now ). + +><i> > For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are +</I>><i> > copyrighted ? +</I>><i> Only linked the ml thread for the icons for reference. It is not said +</I>><i> which are trademarked (and more important by whom) i guess it could +</I>><i> be seen as a derivated work to the original lemmings game from DMA design. +</I>><i> But as the game pingus is existing, and has not been sued, +</I>><i> i don't think they have a valid point there. +</I> +Maybe the problem is somewhere else, like a icon of windows, stuff like +that. Hence the question. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009448.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009490.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9453">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9453">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9453">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9453">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |