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Solbu at 01/11/11 17:25 did gyre and gimble: +><i> On Tuesday 01 November 2011 13:24, Michael Scherer wrote: +</I>>><i> I suggest to re-read the other mails of the thread, especially the +</I>>><i> one where I give this url : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html">http://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg158642.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have read the entire thread on the Fedora list, every message, +</I>><i> including that specific message, and I have done the same for this +</I>><i> thread here and my question is not answered. +</I> +I'm afraid it's quite apparent that you've not read them well enough as +the questions you are asking clearly point to a misunderstanding about +the issue. + +I've laboured this specific point you've missed in four of my messages +on list this and even quoted certain sections of the systemd wiki that +clearly outline it too. Thomas also initially misunderstood and then +realised the situation is really not that bad. I suggest you read +Thomas' latest messages on this thread and hopefully you'll see the +point I seem to have immense trouble getting across to people. + +><i> So I'll ask again: what substantial benefit do I get by having / and +</I>><i> usr on the same filesystem / partition? I can agree to some extend on +</I>><i> moving /*bin and co. to /usr, But what is the benefit on requireing +</I>><i> /usr NOT to be a separate filesystem? +</I> +OK, so this is a reasonable question to ask, BUT, the fact that you are +asking this question suggest that you believe that having a separate +partition for /usr will somehow be banned or impossible in the future. +As Nicolas pointed out in his reply, this is NOT the case! + +You can have /usr on a separate partition if you like, it's just that it +will NOT be the job of init (i.e. pid 1) to mount it for you. When init +starts it must already be mounted. This means mounting has to happen +inside the initramfs. + +><i> Judging by this thread and the Fedora thread I am not alone on having +</I>><i> seriosus doubts on this issiue. +</I> +There is a huge amount of misunderstanding on the issue. It takes +several emails to try and patiently explain to people that the violent +reaction they had is based on a misunderstanding of the problem and of +the solution. This is clearly shown in your replies here. Again: there +is no statement that says /usr cannot be on a separate partition. + +Of course for simpler systems (most desktops and laptops) there is also +no specific gain or need to have it separate (I've very deliberately NOT +kept it separate on any laptop/desktop installed in the last 5 years +there just is not any practical advantage). So many people will indeed +be advocating that user don't do it if they do not have any specific, +special need to do so. + +>><i> ( PS: please try to not insult others with saying thing like "most +</I>>><i> stupid thing ever performed" ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm sorry if someone feel trampled upon, but when I see something +</I>><i> which I really do think is stupid and idiotic, I reserve the right to +</I>><i> say so. If someone can't handle that, tough luck! +</I> +This is really not about "handling it" or otherwise. It's about the +atmosphere of of the discussion on the topic. The choice of wording or +the "tone" used in conversation can convey a distinct feeling of +disrespect or derision towards colleagues who take the time to document +the issues clearly and try and drive things forward. This is compounded +when people do not actually grasp the fundamentals of the problem or +appreciate the solutions fully. Then a cycle starts because when people +are told they are wrong (because they've clearly misunderstood, not +because their concern is invalid), they get MORE defensive and thus the +tone gets even worse and things spiral into flames and trolls. So please +do re-read the latest mails on the topic in this thread and try to +appreciate that you will ultimately still be allowed to have /usr on a +separate partition if you like. + +><i> Note: I am not, nor have I called anyone stupid or an idiot. I am +</I>><i> calling this filesystem requirement change stupid and idiotic. +</I>><i> There's a difference. :-)= +</I> +And again, there is not a "filesystem requirement change", there is just +a "responsibility for who mounts that filesystem change". + +Col + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009286.html">[Mageia-dev] The "stupid and idiot" debate (Was: Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009287.html">[Mageia-dev] Please test: initscripts+systemd in updates_testing +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9284">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9284">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9284">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9284">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |