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How to backport?</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Missing%20packages%20in%20Mageia%201.%20How%20to%20backport%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4DFD7B5C.8050806%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jun 19 06:30:20 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005845.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005373.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5833">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5833">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5833">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5833">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 10 June 2011 13:44, Wolfgang Bornath<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> 2011/6/10 Michael Scherer<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> We have used backports in the past for that, and I see no reason to +</I>>>><i> change that. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> If the problem is that backports were too buggy in the past, then we +</I>>>><i> should fix backports process, not bypassing them. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And if we start by pushing new version in update, people will soon +</I>>>><i> wonder why the new version of X is in updates, while the new version of +</I>>>><i> Y is not, just because we didn't have X in release and Y was there. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Problem I see: +</I>>><i> So far (in Mandriva), example: we have used 2010.0/main/backports to +</I>>><i> offer new versions of software which had an older version in 2010/main +</I>>><i> but the newer version in 2010.1/main, or as the name says: backporting +</I>>><i> a newer version of a software from the current release to a previous +</I>>><i> release, as often used for Firefox. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Firefox should always go to /updates, not backports, usually it has +</I>><i> many sec fixed, so firefox and thunderbird are special cases. +</I> +I agree. +And the same for other software which almost always has security fixes. +(Of course we should enumerate these exceptions.) + +>><i> For Mageia it means, /backports should hold backports of software +</I>>><i> which has an older version in 1/core but a newer version in cauldron. +</I>>><i> If we put new software (aka missing packages) in /backports and the +</I>>><i> user activates /backports he also runs the risk that existing packages +</I>>><i> of his stable installation will be replaced by real backports of newer +</I>>><i> versions, backported from Cauldron - which he may not want to do. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then he shouldn't use backports; but the point is if a totally new +</I>><i> package, to Mageia 1, that never existed in core, is in backports, the +</I>><i> user shouldn't see any regression with regard to that package as his +</I>><i> experience with it before using backports is null, it didn't exist. +</I> +We should expect that users _selectively_ install from backports. +That should be documented somewhere for users (if not already). +It seems almost a case for never activating the backport repositories -- considering that backports +can be selected without those repositories activated. + +>><i> I wonder why we do not put these "missing packages" in /testing and +</I>>><i> after a while in /core or /non-free or /tainted (wherever they +</I>>><i> belong). These packages are software which were supposed to be in +</I>>><i> /core or /non-free or /tainted, they were just forgotten|came too +</I>>><i> late|whatever for Mageia 1 release freeze. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There will always be late packages, always. One example is a new +</I>><i> version of foo that was released two days before Mageia's release, it +</I>><i> won't be submitted through freeze, but will go to backports. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMHO, backports is way to offer "late" packages to user, whether +</I>><i> they're new packages or newer versions of packages in +</I>><i> core/nonfree/tainted, instead of the user installing them from 3rd +</I>><i> party repos or having to build them himself (not all users are savvy +</I>><i> with [re]building src.rpm's). +</I> +It's usually not strictly necessary to rebuild the rpm's, but it is certainly much nicer to install +rpm's built for Mageia. Especially for less advanced users. +And backports is where to put "late" packages. + +>><i> -- +</I>>><i> wobo +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005845.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005373.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5833">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5833">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5833">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5833">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |