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How to backport?</H1> + <B>Colin Guthrie</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Missing%20packages%20in%20Mageia%201.%20How%20to%20backport%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4DF1F576.1010607%40colin.guthr.ie%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport?">mageia at colin.guthr.ie + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jun 10 12:44:06 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005325.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005332.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. 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Especially for novice users. + +>><i> release is obviously frozen so no go there. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The only real option is updates, but that should obviously have some QA +</I>>><i> on it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Updates is not for new version of software, not for new softwares. And +</I>><i> backporting something from cauldron is not a update. +</I> +This seems like a strange statement as */updates on mdv was allowed to +have new packages in some cases (I've done it before, although I think +only for * == contrib), so I don't see why we have to restrict this +possibility in Mageia. + +>><i> Perhaps we need to have some kind of exemption to get these missing +</I>>><i> packages added? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Does anyone have any opinions on this? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, I do. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We have used backports in the past for that, and I see no reason to +</I>><i> change that. +</I> +This is fine in the regular course of distro evolution, but here we're +talking about users migrating from Mdv to Mga and finding "stale" Mdv +packages still installed on their system when they want (and we want to +provide) a Mageia version. This is very much a special case for this +transitional period but I feel it's an important one, particularly +*because* it's the first release. + +I think you're thinking in absolute terms rather than transitional +terms. In absolute terms I agree with you on principle, but I think we +need to deal with transitional issues gracefully and not treat them as +second class considerations. + +><i> If the problem is that backports were too buggy in the past, then we +</I>><i> should fix backports process, not bypassing them. +</I> +I don't think this is particularly relevant. Backports are unsupported +generally. That's a given. If we encourage people to enable backports to +get missing packages (this is very distinct and separate from the +unsupported backports). + +><i> And if we start by pushing new version in update, people will soon +</I>><i> wonder why the new version of X is in updates, while the new version of +</I>><i> Y is not, just because we didn't have X in release and Y was there. +</I> +I very much consider "nothing -> version X" quite different from +"version X -> version Y". I don't think it's a hard concept for anyone +to grasp. + +Col + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>] +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>] + PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>] + Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>] +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005325.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. How to backport? (was: Finalizing update process) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005332.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages in Mageia 1. 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