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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+ <I>Wed Jul 27 16:59:37 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 12:52:04, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 19:38:30, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 18:42:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [snip]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yet, the problem would also be there for regular non-version upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; ( ie, if we have foo-2-2.mga2 in cauldron and stable, and that we need
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to rebuild on stable and not on cauldron, we face the same problem ),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; so using 0 is a incomplete solution to the issue, and the only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; solution is to rebuild in cauldron, and such problem should better be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; detected by youri.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Very good point, this is a decisive argument to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So, the conclusion is that we should test ugprade rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that it will just work because we placed a 0 instead of a 1 somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok for me provided we put in place the necessary processes to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upgrade problems (Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence for example).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Now, using 0 prevent us from having a simple way of seeing what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; prerelease we ship and that should be updated to latest stable ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; this seems to me quite desirable ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Good point too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This is also inconsistent with the practice we had of backporting from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; cooker ( as the initial goal at Mandriva was to have 0 modifications
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; from cooker to backports to reduce the load ). And if we ship something
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in update and in backports, we would have the same packages with 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; different releases, and that doesn't seems a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Worse, the backport would be preferred to the update :/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should have said all this right from the start rather than assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that we would have all these elements in mind :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we add this point to tonight's meeting topics and that a decision
+</I>&gt;<i> be taken then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we would adapt the updates policy and the current packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing if the 0 release in updates is abandoned. We must also
+</I>&gt;<i> decide if we continue to use subrels or not (using them could avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> unneeded rebuilds in cauldron when there are packaging bugs in updates).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Ok, there will be no meeting tonight, so let's decide it on the ML. Was
+everyone convinced by misc's demonstration and do we agree to stop using the 0
+release for updates and activate the Youri::Submit::Test::Precedence check on
+submit to prevent higher releases in mageia n than in mageia n+1 ?
+
+And if yes do we use subrels for subsequent modifications of packages that are
+proper to the mageia 1 branch ?
+
+I vote yes for both questions.
+
+Samuel
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