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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+ <I>Sat Jul 16 02:53:47 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 juillet 2011 &#224; 22:47 -0300, Eugeni Dodonov a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the
+</I>&gt;<i> same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would
+</I>&gt;<i> provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with
+</I>&gt;<i> %_sysconfig/rc.d/init.d/%{name} for example), with no extra subpackages or
+</I>&gt;<i> flags - or should all systemd-specific files go into %{name}-systemd package
+</I>&gt;<i> for example? What do you think?
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+Everything in 1 package.
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+&gt;<i> And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives:
+</I>&gt;<i> - easy way, only having it packaged, but not
+</I>&gt;<i> providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work when
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way)
+</I>&gt;<i> - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit, sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the most sane way
+</I>&gt;<i> to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for testing
+</I>&gt;<i> - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its goodies.
+</I>&gt;<i> This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander style). This is how
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not sure if it the best way.
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+Option 2 for Mageia 2, and option 3 for Mageia 3.
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+People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least
+), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in
+the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded
+system either.
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+So we should keep the possibility of letting people choose for Mageia 2.
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+Also, systemd was reverted for f14, and while it was working fine for
+me, I would rather make sure we have a reputation of being cautious and
+choosing the quality rather than trying to steal the reputation of
+Fedora.
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+Michael Scherer
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