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Mandriva certainly gave a +</I>><i> > large experience on how to integrate systemd into the system without +</I>><i> > killing traditional sysvinit alternative. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It would also be extremely interested to have native systemd services +</I>><i> > which use most of systemd features (like sound and alsa scripts, which +</I>><i> > we discussed with Colin and Andrey Borzenkov some months ago but never +</I>><i> > got to implement properly). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Massive +1 for systemd and massive +1 Eugeni wanting to help out! \o/ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'll try and help out in bits and bobs too, tho' time is always a problem! +</I>><i> +</I> + +Ok, some n00b questions arise from my part, sorry if they seem too basic - I +am only catching up with mga style of development :). + +Systemd 30 is out, with lots of nice changes, so I think we should use it +now as we are quite early in the release cycle. It is working on my machine, +but before doing something about it, I prefer to hear opinions :). + +Firstly, systemdrequires udev >= 172, what is the policy to update it? +According to 'mgarepo maintdb get udev', it has no maintainers, does anyone +objects if I grab/update it as well? + +Secondly, what should be the correct way of supporting systemd in a package? +In Mandriva, I thought on adding a --with flag to enable/disable systemd, +but in most cases it does (almost) nothing. All services which want to +support systemd only need to place their files into /lib/systemd - and +that's it. Should we support opting-out of systemd in specs? I believe +fcrozat is having the same dilemma in SuSE now as well, and he settled on +some common packaging macros. + +Almost finally, should the systemd files belong to the main package, the +same way as they do with initscripts-based one (e.g., the package would +provide /lib/systemd/system/%{name}.service together with +%_sysconfig/rc.d/init.d/%{name} for example), with no extra subpackages or +flags - or should all systemd-specific files go into %{name}-systemd package +for example? What do you think? + +And finally, what does seems to be the best way of starting to use systemd +in cauldron? I have thought on 3 alternatives: + - easy way, only having it packaged, but not +providing/obsoleting/conflicting with sysvinit. This way, it will work when +kernel is booted with init=/bin/systemd (the least invasive way) + - compatible way (like in Mandriva) - it is available, systemd-sysvinit +conflicts with sysvinit, so if someone installs systemd-sysvinit, sysvinit +goes away and systemd is run by default. This seems to be the most sane way +to me (but I could be biased), and it is easiest one for testing + - ultimate way - systemd provides and obsoletes sysvinit and its goodies. +This way, systemd will be the only one (e.g., highlander style). This is how +fedora did it if I am not mistaken, but I am not sure if it the best way. + +So, that's it for now from my part.. + +Opinions? + +-- +Eugeni Dodonov +<A HREF="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</A> +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20110713/27e74b87/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006538.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006629.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia 2 specifications] Systemd or not systemd +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6628">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6628">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6628">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6628">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |