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Wilcox Jr. wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200 +</I>>><i> > From: Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>>><i> > To: Mageia development mailing-list <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>> +</I>>><i> > Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put +</I>>><i> >         non-free+tainted RPMs? +</I>>><i> Message-ID: +</I>>><i>         <CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w at mail.gmail.com</A>> +</I>>><i> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > 2011/7/12 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> > > Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit : +</I>>><i> > >> +</I>>><i> > >> 2011/7/9 andre999<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> > >>> +</I>>><i> > >>> Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit : +</I>>><i> > >>>> +</I>>><i> > >>>> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>>: +</I>>><i> > >>>>> +</I>>><i> > >>>>> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: +</I>>><i> > >>>>>> +</I>>><i> > >>>>>> 2011/7/8 James Kerr<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>>: +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> This thread has strayed far from the original question, > which +</I>>><i> could +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> be +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> re-stated as: +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> commingled +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> in a +</I>>><i> > >>>>>>> single tainted repository? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> ... +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > >> Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software +</I>>><i> > >> which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss). +</I>>><i> > > +</I>>><i> > > Ok, a relatively limited application. +</I>>><i> > > +</I>>><i> > > So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted. +</I>>><i> > > So why do we have more than 150 ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists +</I>>><i> > it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be +</I>>><i> > enforced. Period. +</I>>><i> > This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not +</I>>><i> > be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away +</I>>><i> > handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For +</I>>><i> > those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted +</I>>><i> > by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept +</I>>><i> > that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they +</I>>><i> > should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted +</I>>><i> > repo. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > -- +</I>>><i> > wobo +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +1 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of +</I>>><i> software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are +</I>>><i> leagally recognized where I live. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and +</I>>><i> respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being +</I>>><i> legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know if +</I>>><i> a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install it +</I>>><i> on my computer. If  I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a +</I>>><i> patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request +</I>>><i> permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I +</I>>><i> fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may +</I>>><i> be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented software +</I>>><i> without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower +</I>>><i> to cut my grass without his permission. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I understand that the following may not be practicable, but I would like all +</I>>><i> software that is affected by a patent (and perhaps other licensing or copyright +</I>>><i> restrictions) to be placed in a "restricted" (tainted) repository. Also I +</I>>><i> would like to see patent (or contact) information in the software package's +</I>>><i> description to help facilitate my ability to ask permission to use the +</I>>><i> software. By doing these things, Mageia is doing more to support my ability to +</I>>><i> live by my personal convictions than to support patent law. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think we should not do that. Because we probably have more useful +</I>><i> things to do than documenting patents and helping patent holders. And +</I>><i> because it doesn't help users, on the contrary, it makes it more +</I>><i> dangerous for them to use the software, because they cannot say they +</I>><i> didn't know about the patent. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +(However, each package has a URL field, with a link to the upstream +web site, that could be a good starting point for a search for those +who wanna do it). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006633.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6611">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6611">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6611">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6611">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |