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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Sun Jul 3 18:11:36 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 03:02:24, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 2 juillet 2011 01:07:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 1 juillet 2011 22:49:29, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would something like <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">coord at pmentoring.mageia.org</A> be Ok ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">foo at group.mageia.org</A> with foo replaced by the group name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Presumably I would manage the group, which would include at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> magnus + Daniel. So who should I talk to about setting it up ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would I be able to add new persons myself, or would I have to request
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What would be the use of this group and alias ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shouldn't most discussions be public, so on a mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This would be for potential packager apprentices or others to easily
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contact all members the mentoring coordinator team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So one of us can respond quickly, mostly to update our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages_mentoring wiki page. (Which will be ready in the next few
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> days.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could also use it to discuss among ourselves, which we now do by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> private email. So it wouldn't be of general interest. We wouldn't want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> those outside our group responding to messages received, like in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> public mailing list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (The group might include a few outside our team.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (It could include mentors, but they will see useful info on our wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> page.) A restricted-access mailing list should work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think there's a need for restricted access, and it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opposite to the way we try to do everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What you need is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) a way to be contacted directly by those who need (apprentices)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) a way to discuss within members of the team, but maybe other people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> too if some want to join the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 1), I think your @mageia.org address once you will get one is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sufficient. It's only one means of communication among others (MLs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> forums, wiki), so I don't think a group is necessarily needed for that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You can still forward requests you can't handle yourself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That being said, I have nothing against the use of a group for that, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> only as a contact e-mail, not for discussion, or only for sensitive
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> discussion about specific persons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was exactly the purpose -- one contact point !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Which we can put in various documentation, etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That way if I'm not available -- on holidays, sick or whatever, I could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alert the others to ensure a fast response. And they could always help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out if they wanted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And if someone takes my place, it would be a transparent changeover.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sensitive discussion could happen with the group, but we could use direct
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contact as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (We've been doing a bit in private setting up, but I see that as mostly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> temporary. Other than sensitive issues, I would see it as mostly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coordination among ourselves.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Otherwise I would prefer everything in the open.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (And I'm sure the others would agree.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For 2), I don't know what is better :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - use an existing mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - create a new one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-dev seems good. We can just try to limit it to a few threads at a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think you must try to use direct e-mail among you only when there's a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> good reason to avoid public discussion. Saying that it's not of general
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> interest is not a good enough reason, I think. Do you have other reasons
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for wanting a private mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agree totally. No need.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So in summary, it seems that we should have a group for contacts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Say <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pmentoring-coord at group.mageia.org</A> ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And no need to add a mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This e-mail seems complicated. What about <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packager-mentoring at group.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+OK :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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