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+</I> +><i>From the last things you with dmorgan said and did this was also to +</I>see to what point you would go. + +The changes i made in kdelibs, that binaries in kde are only for +development so i moved them to devel package and were reverted. +Like dmorgan said all coomits i do even if were good commits would be +reverted if not reviewed by you, that was some he just invented and +that i never agreed. +And as we agreed, only important changes should be discussed like it +happened with the improvemenet i was planing to do to Qt. + +>><i> You were also who started doing all by own way, you didnt discuss with +</I>>><i> me anychanges, for example the changes you made in wiki. +</I>>><i> For example you add severall items to Golds section without discussing +</I>>><i> any, they should be first added as proposals so that could be first +</I>>><i> discussed in a meeing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because thoses changes/proposal where *already* decided *before* you even +</I>><i> come to KDE, i simply wrote them down. +</I>><i> Of course that does not mean that we won't change the goal after, it is not like +</I>><i> it was written in the stone... it's a *wiki*... +</I> +Thats not quite true, since for example i suggested that the lib +packages could start being named only with a underscore instead +dashes, and you acted like that was already decided, seams you were +the only one who decided. + +>><i> But for you theres no kde team, since you just do what it pleases you. +</I>>><i> But now you should be even more pleased since now dmorgan in the kde +</I>>><i> packaging policy wiki page have put that now in a PENDING status. +</I>>><i> I know very well from where comes all that dmorgan animosityagainst +</I>>><i> me, mem and dmorgan is the past have already had divergencies, so let +</I>>><i> you know that this simply dodnt appear out of the blue, there are a +</I>>><i> history regarding dmorgan and me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't care at all about animosity between you and dmorgan, stricly no... +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Before dmorgan appear we were going ok, of course we had some +</I>>><i> discussions but thats normal, but its not normal that without any +</I>>><i> proper reason dmorgan did talked to me with some "tone" and +</I>>><i> "aggressiveness". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You should double check how you're talking on irc before saying that. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> You even said that i would be happy if you left Mageia, and like i +</I>>><i> answered in other thread you were too far from the truth, you are a +</I>>><i> person that are always contributing, that put much effort to help +</I>>><i> Mageia, and no one in his perfect mind would think was good to put +</I>>><i> away some person with those capabilities. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Some of my latest commits were correct and simple (for eexamplein +</I>>><i> kdelibs4), and they were reverted by dmorgan based in a rule that he +</I>>><i> created, and that rule was simply put by him, without any discusion, +</I>>><i> no one were asked about and i never agreed with it, he simply said +</I>>><i> "and now i take my sysadmin hat..." and did it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So from that point what would be the purpose to discuss any with you +</I>>><i> since no one can diverge from you, when that happens dmorgan appears +</I>>><i> and "takes his sysadmin hat..." and rises his tone saying i cant do +</I>>><i> this or that. +</I>>><i> Seamsn now you and dmorgan own kde. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok so maybe you can stop a little bit your paranoïa... +</I>><i> I asked dmorgan to reverse your previous commit because you did not ask +</I>><i> anything neither show us a commit when you were supposed to do as i told +</I>><i> you before but i guess you forgot this one (i did not do it personally because +</I>><i> i'm was quite buzy but i guess i should have done it...) +</I>><i> Here with your previous change i take the time to comment & ask for explanation +</I>><i> because you again did not ask & decided what was better from *your* +</I>><i> point of view. +</I> +This i have commented in the begining of this message. + +>><i> Your behaviour has changed mainly from the day that misc attacked me +</I>>><i> without knowing all facts, so from that point all that was being done +</I>>><i> as team SIMPLY didsappeared, and you didnt even said nothing about +</I>>><i> what dmorgan did, saying that my commits should be reviewed all by +</I>>><i> you, that is abusive, and if remember correctly untill that day we act +</I>>><i> as a team, and you be havior from that changed and severall times you +</I>>><i> rised your tone just like that for almost nothing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm sorry but my behaviour did not change at all... It's just because +</I>><i> i had enough with +</I>><i> your style aka « i'm going to propose something and if you're not +</I>><i> agree i'll apply it anyway +</I>><i> because i'm the older packager, i know how to do things etc etc ...» +</I>><i> or « i'm going to commit +</I>><i> some changes which is not important from my point of view so it's not +</I>><i> for other » or « i'm going +</I>><i> to commit something and *ask* after about this » +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You probably think that i was agree with you simply because i was +</I>><i> agree with *some* of +</I>><i> your suggestions that's all... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I really don't remember also how we act as a team since you did not +</I>><i> take your part of the job: +</I>><i> i asked you to do a simple thing on the wiki ( add the members of the +</I>><i> kde team on a specific +</I>><i>  wiki page)  & suddendly you start changing without asking the +</I>><i> kde_policy_packaging wiki page +</I> +I never acted like kde was mine, there were some commits i made in the +begining but i remember we did had a conversation and i start +discussing things, and as we agreeed discussing important things, as +for the rest i think is preferable to just not comment... + +><i> I'm still waiting for your commit in soft regarding iaora_kde since June 12th... +</I>><i> You're not doing correctly your job & then you complain that we're not +</I>><i> acting as a team ? +</I>><i> Also maybe you can start helping on bug fixing on mageia like for +</I>><i> example Luc is doing ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I asked you to work on digikam2 initially but we spent too much time +</I>><i> talking about libs package because +</I>><i> you suddendly wanted to obsolete some kde libs because they were part +</I>><i> of digikam SC and i was forced to +</I>><i> ask neoclust & Gilles about this since you were not agree with me +</I>><i> about the lib packaging because you had +</I>><i> a better idea... and when we finally reached an agreement and you were +</I>><i> supposed to provide a spec quite soon +</I>><i> nothing happens.. +</I> +And now you say, as we discussed, so we did in fact discussed things +and i didnt do any implementation without theres a consense. +And as i already repleyed in other threads (but again you take things, +you keep repeating yourself.), at that time i was too much busy with +my son probems and didnt had time to do nothing, but i remember i did +told you that. + +><i> +</I>>><i> I always wanted that we could all could get along with each other, of +</I>>><i> course we would have some discussions (thats normal, and its from +</I>>><i> discussions that development grows), and from that we would reach +</I>>><i> agreements and consensus about what to do or follow. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What with discussion if you're simply does not care about my opinion ? +</I>><i> In fact you simply want to have a « leader » hat status ? +</I> +And again seams your putting words in my mouth, like i liked you to leave... + +>><i> I think if we continued as a team without dmorgan interventions we +</I>>><i> would continue in the right path for Mageia grow and stability. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would better say that it would be better *without* you until you're +</I>><i> okay to discuss your changes +</I>><i> before commiting them or *even* better as i said in a previous private +</I>><i> email *TEST THEM* locally +</I>><i> by building them in a iurt chroot (& yes i already sent you the +</I>><i> documentation i used to create my +</I>><i> iurt repository locally) instead of commiting & fixing build errors by +</I>><i> submitting it in the BS. +</I> +Yes, i tend to agree that at that time you didnt had others +contributing or that could have a more active role and that always +never disagree of your ideas, and all was like you wanted, wrongly or +not. As i remember for example fixing severall things wrong in qt +spec, many existing requires(pre) when there wasnt any %pre section. + +><i> So in summary please don't target anyone else when you're the culprit +</I>><i> with your attitude. +</I>><i> Again that does not mean that all your commits are wrong but sometimes +</I>><i> you changed the behavior +</I>><i> simply because you think it's better, for example recently you add a +</I>><i> patch on kdeutils ( +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeutils4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeutils4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478</A> +</I>><i> ) to remove  a simple rm -rf in a spec. +</I>><i> Is it wise to patch (& maintain a patch because i'm not sure you +</I>><i> submitted it upstream) when we can simply remove thoses files in the +</I>><i> spec ? +</I> +Yes, thats the correct way to build kdeutils without printer_applet, +not just removing files, but i think that patch will be submited +upstream. + +><i> Did we dicuss about this ? no because you probably think it's a better +</I>><i> solution & it's a minor thing.. +</I> +That was already done after you started with that behaviour, but i +also never see you discussing any change you made. +Thats true, you never discuss any change, at least i never saw it. + +If theres a kde team, you and all kde members should discuss things, +and maybe reach some agreement about whats really important to +discuss, if dicuss all or just discuss more important changes, since +discussing all can also delays development. + +><i> +</I>>><i> And again i appeal that we can that we could have a meeting so that +</I>>><i> all could be discussed and defined, so that now we should act as a +</I>>><i> whole without any frictions. +</I>>><i> Like i satated im not here to fight or bash no one, but to act as a +</I>>><i> part of a whole. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm really doubt about that point since from what i see so far because +</I>><i> you're not +</I>><i> following your own words.. +</I>><i> +</I> +I think this doesnt deserve a real comment. + + +-- +Zé +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007690.html">[Mageia-dev] [135989] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007715.html">[Mageia-dev] [135989] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7713">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7713">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7713">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7713">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |