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+ +><i> You were also who started doing all by own way, you didnt discuss with +</I>><i> me anychanges, for example the changes you made in wiki. +</I>><i> For example you add severall items to Golds section without discussing +</I>><i> any, they should be first added as proposals so that could be first +</I>><i> discussed in a meeing. +</I> +Because thoses changes/proposal where *already* decided *before* you even +come to KDE, i simply wrote them down. +Of course that does not mean that we won't change the goal after, it is not like +it was written in the stone... it's a *wiki*... + +><i> But for you theres no kde team, since you just do what it pleases you. +</I>><i> But now you should be even more pleased since now dmorgan in the kde +</I>><i> packaging policy wiki page have put that now in a PENDING status. +</I>><i> I know very well from where comes all that dmorgan animosityagainst +</I>><i> me, mem and dmorgan is the past have already had divergencies, so let +</I>><i> you know that this simply dodnt appear out of the blue, there are a +</I>><i> history regarding dmorgan and me. +</I> +I don't care at all about animosity between you and dmorgan, stricly no... + +><i> Before dmorgan appear we were going ok, of course we had some +</I>><i> discussions but thats normal, but its not normal that without any +</I>><i> proper reason dmorgan did talked to me with some "tone" and +</I>><i> "aggressiveness". +</I> +You should double check how you're talking on irc before saying that. + +><i> You even said that i would be happy if you left Mageia, and like i +</I>><i> answered in other thread you were too far from the truth, you are a +</I>><i> person that are always contributing, that put much effort to help +</I>><i> Mageia, and no one in his perfect mind would think was good to put +</I>><i> away some person with those capabilities. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some of my latest commits were correct and simple (for eexamplein +</I>><i> kdelibs4), and they were reverted by dmorgan based in a rule that he +</I>><i> created, and that rule was simply put by him, without any discusion, +</I>><i> no one were asked about and i never agreed with it, he simply said +</I>><i> "and now i take my sysadmin hat..." and did it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So from that point what would be the purpose to discuss any with you +</I>><i> since no one can diverge from you, when that happens dmorgan appears +</I>><i> and "takes his sysadmin hat..." and rises his tone saying i cant do +</I>><i> this or that. +</I>><i> Seamsn now you and dmorgan own kde. +</I> +Ok so maybe you can stop a little bit your paranoïa... +I asked dmorgan to reverse your previous commit because you did not ask +anything neither show us a commit when you were supposed to do as i told +you before but i guess you forgot this one (i did not do it personally because +i'm was quite buzy but i guess i should have done it...) +Here with your previous change i take the time to comment & ask for explanation +because you again did not ask & decided what was better from *your* +point of view. + +><i> Your behaviour has changed mainly from the day that misc attacked me +</I>><i> without knowing all facts, so from that point all that was being done +</I>><i> as team SIMPLY didsappeared, and you didnt even said nothing about +</I>><i> what dmorgan did, saying that my commits should be reviewed all by +</I>><i> you, that is abusive, and if remember correctly untill that day we act +</I>><i> as a team, and you be havior from that changed and severall times you +</I>><i> rised your tone just like that for almost nothing. +</I> +I'm sorry but my behaviour did not change at all... It's just because +i had enough with +your style aka « i'm going to propose something and if you're not +agree i'll apply it anyway +because i'm the older packager, i know how to do things etc etc ...» +or « i'm going to commit +some changes which is not important from my point of view so it's not +for other » or « i'm going +to commit something and *ask* after about this » + +You probably think that i was agree with you simply because i was +agree with *some* of +your suggestions that's all... + +I really don't remember also how we act as a team since you did not +take your part of the job: +i asked you to do a simple thing on the wiki ( add the members of the +kde team on a specific + wiki page) & suddendly you start changing without asking the +kde_policy_packaging wiki page + +I'm still waiting for your commit in soft regarding iaora_kde since June 12th... +You're not doing correctly your job & then you complain that we're not +acting as a team ? +Also maybe you can start helping on bug fixing on mageia like for +example Luc is doing ? + +I asked you to work on digikam2 initially but we spent too much time +talking about libs package because +you suddendly wanted to obsolete some kde libs because they were part +of digikam SC and i was forced to +ask neoclust & Gilles about this since you were not agree with me +about the lib packaging because you had +a better idea... and when we finally reached an agreement and you were +supposed to provide a spec quite soon +nothing happens.. + + +><i> I always wanted that we could all could get along with each other, of +</I>><i> course we would have some discussions (thats normal, and its from +</I>><i> discussions that development grows), and from that we would reach +</I>><i> agreements and consensus about what to do or follow. +</I> +What with discussion if you're simply does not care about my opinion ? +In fact you simply want to have a « leader » hat status ? + +><i> I think if we continued as a team without dmorgan interventions we +</I>><i> would continue in the right path for Mageia grow and stability. +</I> +I would better say that it would be better *without* you until you're +okay to discuss your changes +before commiting them or *even* better as i said in a previous private +email *TEST THEM* locally +by building them in a iurt chroot (& yes i already sent you the +documentation i used to create my +iurt repository locally) instead of commiting & fixing build errors by +submitting it in the BS. +So in summary please don't target anyone else when you're the culprit +with your attitude. +Again that does not mean that all your commits are wrong but sometimes +you changed the behavior +simply because you think it's better, for example recently you add a +patch on kdeutils ( +<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeutils4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeutils4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478</A> +) to remove a simple rm -rf in a spec. +Is it wise to patch (& maintain a patch because i'm not sure you +submitted it upstream) when we can simply remove thoses files in the +spec ? +Did we dicuss about this ? no because you probably think it's a better +solution & it's a minor thing.. + + + +><i> And again i appeal that we can that we could have a meeting so that +</I>><i> all could be discussed and defined, so that now we should act as a +</I>><i> whole without any frictions. +</I>><i> Like i satated im not here to fight or bash no one, but to act as a +</I>><i> part of a whole. +</I> +I'm really doubt about that point since from what i see so far because +you're not +following your own words.. + +><i> Yesterday i was about to remove me completly from Mageia, since i dont +</I>><i> want to be in a place where someone can have abusice behaviours and no +</I>><i> appears to regulate that sittuation. +</I>><i> Mikala mayve this was your wish, since what have been happening its +</I>><i> far from a community behaviour and you may see that im very different +</I>><i> from Fwang, some that you have referred severall tmes that he changes +</I>><i> things without discussing any, thing that i did used to do as a team, +</I>><i> but my latest commit was something i did to see at what point things +</I>><i> would go, and again i can see dmorgan can do everything he wants like +</I>><i> now put me as a pending status regarding the kde team. +</I> +Well on that point i'm quite agree with dmorgan. +Maybe you should really learn to work/integrate with the way we work... +Maybe you should act more like luc who he's sending a review of his changes +before commiting anything & waiting for an answer even if he's more than a good +packager (& also a programmer by the way) but i guess he's probably biased since +he used to work with kde reviewboard... + + +-- +Balcaen John +Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007669.html">[Mageia-dev] [135989] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007673.html">[Mageia-dev] [135989] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7670">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7670">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7670">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7670">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |