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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] Possible failure in our update process</H1>
+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+ <I>Sat Aug 27 23:46:01 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 18 ao&#251;t 2011 17:46:06, John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed a problem with our update process thanks to bug #2450 [1]
+</I>&gt;<i> Here we pushed a update to kipi-plugins package (due to a missing
+</I>&gt;<i> requires) but the update ends up in a totally broken installation for
+</I>&gt;<i> the end user which was not noticed by me (first in fault) &amp; later by
+</I>&gt;<i> QA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently every package built for updates are done against
+</I>&gt;<i> core/release, core/updates and core/updates_testing, here when i
+</I>&gt;<i> pushed kipi-plugins update, KDE 4.6.5 was already available in
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing so as expected kipi-plugins get linked against
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE 4.6.5 &amp; not against KDE 4.6.3 (available in core/release)
+</I>&gt;<i> Since most of actors of the QA are simply installing all packages from
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing (like me) none of us noticed that it would break
+</I>&gt;<i> without KDE 4.6.5 installed and when probably for first updates
+</I>&gt;<i> people are using a &#171; fresh Mageia 1&#187; , with several packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing in the same moment we can't really expect them to
+</I>&gt;<i> removed or reinstall/restore a Mageia 1 for every package available in
+</I>&gt;<i> testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A workaround (which could also ease work for QA people) would be to
+</I>&gt;<i> have some temporary repositories as suggested by bolkm on irc, it
+</I>&gt;<i> could be based on SRPM package name but for some project like KDE it
+</I>&gt;<i> would need more hacks since RPMS needed to be builded in a specific
+</I>&gt;<i> order.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The QA user will be able to simply add a new media (like
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi.addmedia $mirror/core/updates_testing/packagetotest/ ) so it
+</I>&gt;<i> will be more easy to test a package &amp; *only* this one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another solution is to rebuild the package when moving in on
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_release but in that case the package tested by QA is of
+</I>&gt;<i> course not the same as the one available previously in testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If I understand correctly, the problem is when several packages interfere with
+each other. One thing that could help would be that after submit each update
+candidate be checked by a script that would :
+- detect BuildRequires that are present in updates_testing
+- (needed ?) detect Requires that are present in updates_testing
+
+When there are such dependencies that come from updates_testing, it means that
+they have not been pushed to updates yet, and that the update candidate that
+is being checked must be treated with care.
+
+In kipi-plugins case, maybe following such a check, we would have decided to
+ship it as part of the big KDE update and not as a standalone update.
+
+The updates policy would have to be adapted so that this check becomes part of
+every update candidate validation.
+
+I'm not sure this is a good idea, but I'm sending it to you all the same :)
+
+Samuel
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