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While the +</I>><i> Network Center does not seem to even communicate with the system tools +</I>><i> to know what is happening during the link setup, it does not +</I>><i> auto-refresh network lists properly. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Since 2010.1 now even mixes up itself in it's own network scripts (the +</I>><i> ones stored in wireless.d). This maxes it wrongly detect numerous +</I>><i> wireless points (he seen WPA2 Enterperise hotspots as opened or WEP, or +</I>><i> more nerving, becomes incapable or storing the right authentication +</I>><i> information). A tool that breaks itself is a complete shame! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The GUI is also appalling. Despite it's numerous possibilities, it is a +</I>><i> mess and 60% of it cannot be used by something else than the system or a +</I>><i> network expert. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The code itself is undocumented and it extremely difficult to read. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These tools are getting really bad and not working properly anyway since +</I>><i> a long time now. So either we fix it and improve it (recoding?), either +</I>><i> we definitely switch to Network Manager. I am ready to participate if +</I>><i> necessary (despite my lack of competence), but I do not want to see +</I>><i> these tools 'as is' on my computer anymore, and no longer want to see +</I>><i> these issues that down Mageia's reputation in comparison to other +</I>><i> popular projects here such as Arch, Fedora or Ubuntu, who do have proper +</I>><i> tools delivered by default. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is not the first time I complain about this tool. We should not +</I>><i> leave this unchanged. It is far too annoying and pushing to so much loss +</I>><i> of time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yours sincerely,. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thomas. +</I> + +personally, alot of problems could likely be attributed to using all those +several of those apps together. + +imho, the network tools should be redesigned a bit, according to good +usability, but mostly, either they should all be nicely integrated which each +other, or we should just have one that does all nicely. + +personally, i find the netapplet the best working and use that exclusively to +avoid issues. + +but sadly, even netapplet is far from complete. + +as some kind of start, we should have an app that exists in drakconf, but also +accessible via an applet, but again, perhaps we should have multiple applets, +with one for each connection. + +eg: a wifi access link, 2 network connections (one of which goes to internet), +and 3 openvpn tunnels (as an example) it would even be better, if bluetooth +networking could also be included. (this would also allow for multiple +internet connections at a later time with some advanced routing) + +at the same time, people could tell at a glance if they accidentally use more +than one internet access method. + +about openvpn, some of those are user-related (even though they have effects on +global routing), especially password related things, personally, i think it'd +be better if these can only be controlled through the applet by the user it's +from (with perhaps an option to allow any user to control this too) + +again with openvpn, it would be usefull if there was some kind of way to know +it's not only running, but also if it's essentially active or not, and if it's +used as a internet gateway. + +These are some things which i have noticed over the years of using it and +listening to end-user problems. + + +perhaps the above can be used as a starting point for a usability scheme. + +Thomas, since you feel this strongly, are you willing to spend some time on +this? +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007158.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it. +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007171.html">[Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it. +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7169">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7169">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7169">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7169">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |