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Wilcox Jr. <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ewilcox at bex.net</A>> wrote: +><i> If the Mageia community chooses to ignore the laws of some countries for any +</I>><i> reason (even if the community can not be prosecuted), I want nothing to do +</I>><i> with it. +</I> +So you do already. The common subset of laws of all countries in the +world is like... almost empty. The global tendency in the past decades +is to grow this common subset but it's far from being achieved (and +may as well reverse, history showed us). + +As a matter of fact, Mageia as an organisation fostering free software +and innovation through collaboration is likely to ignore/refute/fight, +by whatever mean and at whatever relevant scale, laws that would +censor/prohibit, as such: + - reverse-engineering + - cryptography tools + - freedom of speech + - user privacy + - to name just 4 of them. + +See? There are significant countries in this case. + +"Obey the law" is not rule #0 in life (even more if unbalanced). If it +were, we would mostly all be slaves, instead of free citizens. + +><i> A strongly stated position, honestly presented should never cause offense to +</I>><i> any one. +</I> +You cannot please everyone. Law of life. + +><i> If I havce offended you, I appologize as that was not my intent, but I +</I>><i> will not appologize for my beliefs. +</I> +And you should not. :-) As long as things are said with respect. + +><i> The variety of laws that exist is not the issue, the fact that they do exist +</I>><i> is, and this is why I think PLF is a good place for "questionable" software. +</I>><i> If we choose to provide such software ourselves, then it should be in a +</I>><i> "tainted" listing or repo. +</I> +Yes. But this is still an "imperfect" solution as the frontier between +what should be in tainted and core will vary according to the +territory you are in. So we have to decide on a _reasonable_ frontier, +that will not match strictly everyone anyway. + +><i> I have no problem with such software being distributed where it is legal. +</I>><i> I simply want to make it easy for end users and +</I>><i> miror hosts to exclude this software where it is illegal. +</I> +We can't do it totally for three reasons: + * law is not universally the same; + * law changes, wherever it is. What is legal today may be illegal +tomorrow. What was illegal today may be legal tomorrow. + * patents may be invalid or have expired (although properly registered). + +So again, that does not help us but realize that we cannot have a +stable layout policy for what comes under "core", "non-free" and +"tainted". This is a matter of finding a reasonable balance, regarding +a given set of laws (likely, European/US laws). + +Because, otherwise: + * as soon as someone claims having a patent anywhere on some methods +implemented in some software of core, it should move to "tainted" +(with all consequences). + * as soon as a patent expire (or its invalidity is revealed through a +court decision), all related "tainted" packages may move into "core" +or "non-free". + +So indeed, we've got to build this "tainted" repository and fill it +with what we think it should reasonably be with; that means having a +policy (list of questions to ask to qualify the package/software to +enter "tainted" or not). I proposed one earlier, that was extreme +(that was the goal). We should have a similar one, amended. + +><i> I will not enter +</I>><i> into the argument that it is not illegal untill the patent holder comes after +</I>><i> you. To my way of thinking, that feels very similar to saying that stealing is +</I>><i> not a crime untill you get caught. +</I> +Do not map physical/concrete world metaphors to immaterial world. It +is not the same. Not the same rules apply. And thinking/law is lagging +a lot in this regard, as for any new/young stuff. + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001737.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001739.html">[Mageia-dev] First packagers meeting +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1738">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1738">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1738">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1738">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |