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Wilcox Jr.</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mirror%20layout&In-Reply-To=%3C201012160447.07148.ewilcox%40bex.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout">ewilcox at bex.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Dec 16 10:47:07 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001738.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1737">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1737">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1737">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1737">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 02:44:21AM -0500, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: +|<i> >Consideration of software patents and copyrights does not constitute | | +</I>|<i> implicit +</I> | >support for them. It does however constitute explicit support for | | +obediance of + | >the law. Like it or not, patent and copyright laws do exist in some | +countries + | >(especially the U.S.A. - my home), and it is our responsibility to take +those + | >laws into considertion (whether we want to or not). Laws can not be +changed by + | >ignoring them, only broken. People who break laws are criminals - no ifs, + | >ands, or buts, about it. If the Mageia community chooses to opeate as a + | >criminal organization, I will have nothing to do with it. + | I don't agree on most of the above, and i believe the last sentence to be + | offensive, but i will not retaliate lest it becomes a flame war. + +I do not see how that statement is offensive. It is a simple statement of fact. +If the Mageia community chooses to ignore the laws of some countries for any +reason (even if the community can not be prosecuted), I want nothing to do +with it. I do not believe that this will be the case, but that is how I feel. +A strongly stated position, honestly presented should never cause offense to +any one. If I havce offended you, I appologize as that was not my intent, but I +will not appologize for my beliefs. + + | >We are discussing whether to accomodate software patent and copyright law +in + | >countries where it exists. I can see no way to avoud doing so. We can +include + | >patented software in our distribution if we choose to do so (and I think +we + | >should), but we must provide both mirror hosts and end users (including +me) a + | >method of easily excluding such software. By doing so, we give our users +and + | >supporters the freedom to choose to obey the law where they live and still +use + | >or support our distribution. + | The biggest problem is the variety of patent laws existing in the world, + | besides the fact that patents are not granted worldwide, thus forcing + | mageia to taint software that should not be under different + | legislations. See the difference between fair-use clauses in laws about + | circumvention devices. + +The variety of laws that exist is not the issue, the fact that they do exist +is, and this is why I think PLF is a good place for "questionable" software. +If we choose to provide such software ourselves, then it should be in a +"tainted" listing or repo. + + | >As I see it, we already have a usable mirror lay-out (posted earlier in +this + | >thread). The only real discussion that should remain is whether to include +the + | >"tainted" branch in the official Mageia tree, or to offer it in an alternate + | >repository such as PLF (my earlier suggestion). + | I don't believe a separate repository would give any benefit, in any + | case it would be software provided by mageia, and built on mageia + | build-cluster. + +If we place the "tainted" software in the official Mageia mirror, then it should +be in its own directory. If we put it in PLF, then it will get its own +repository as a natural course of events. In either case, what is most +important is that the user be able to install Mageia without the potential +risk that such software may present, then if the user chooses to install the +"questionable" software, (s)he is making an informed decision. + + | >In either case, I do not believe that ALL patented (or Copyrighted) +software + | >should be placed there (in the "tainted" branch). Some such software comes + | >with explicit permission to use (perhaps nVidia and/or ATI drivers?). In +other + | >cases, we may be able to contact the patent or copyright holder and get + | >explicit permission to include their software in our distribution. In such + | >cases, we should be able to safely (for both our users and supporters) +include + | >the patented / copyrighted software with the official branch of our + | >distribution. + | Software with non-free license but permission to distribute should end + | in non-free, software with a non-free license and no permission to + | distribute should not be distributed. But this is a very different issue + | from free-software possibly breaking some patent. Please do not mix the + | two issues. + +I agree with both parts of your first statement. I was not thinking at all +about free software that may break some patent, but perhaps I should have. +There is free software that is known to be patent infringing (writing +(creating) an mp3 file comes to mind). It is such software that should be +placed separately (perhaps in a "non-free" or "tainted" directory) from the +main Mageia distribution. I have no problem with such software being +distributed where it is legal. I simply want to make it easy for end users and +miror hosts to exclude this software where it is illegal. I will not enter +into the argument that it is not illegal untill the patent holder comes after +you. To my way of thinking, that feels very similar to saying that stealing is +not a crime untill you get caught. + +-- +Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. +Registered Linux User 247790 +ICQ 41060744 +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001738.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1737">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1737">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1737">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1737">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |