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Wilcox Jr.<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ewilcox at bex.net</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> People who break laws are criminals - no ifs, +</I>>><i> ands, or buts, about it. +</I> +Although I disagree with your conclusions (which I will explain further +down), your post does bring up an important point. +Mageia would better avoid alienating potential users who might +mistakenly associate Mageia with illegitimate activity. + +Which makes including a set of Mageia repositories specifically for +constrained (or "tainted") software problematic. +Although having such repositories for Mageia on a site like PLF +shouldn't cause problems, as there would be a clear distance between +them and Mageia. + +><i> People who break _criminal_ laws like murder and assault are criminals. +</I>><i> People who break _civil_ laws like traffic or zoning are not usually +</I>><i> considered criminals by the general public. +</I>><i> So, not all laws are alike and not all people who break laws can be +</I>><i> reasonably labeled as criminals. +</I> +And in the case of alleged patent vioations, users may be violating the +patent holder's civil right to demand compensation for the use of their +patent. Where it can become illegal, and only in the civil law sense, +is if the alleged violator refuses to pay the compensation demanded, and +subsequently a court decides that the patent applies and the +compensation demanded is reasonable under the circumstances. +(At least, that is how it works in the U.S.) +So we are talking about something that is less illegal than jaywalking. +(Luckily here in Canada, as in many countries, software patents don't +exist.) + +Note also that for free/open source software, where no possibility of +collecting royalties exists, there is generally little interest for a +patent holder to restrict Linux users and thus encourage the development +of alternate solutions, which could then be adopted by those currently +(or potentially in the future) paying royalties to the patent holder. + +><i> When there is dispute in the larger world community as to whether or +</I>><i> not some behavior rises to a criminal nature, one cannot assign it +</I>><i> some moral value and enforce it world-wide with any significance. +</I> +Exactly. + +>><i> If the Mageia community chooses to opeate as a +</I>>><i> criminal organization, I will have nothing to do with it. +</I> +Rest assured, no-one is proposing that. +You may not be aware, but (as I have recently learned) both Debian and +Ubuntu openly distribute packages constrained by software patents, and +have many mirror sites in the U.S. - without any apparent problems. + +><i> ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In other words, if the taint is available to you, and you believe to +</I>><i> touch the taint is bad, don't do it. But don't force others to follow +</I>><i> your rules. +</I> +Very true. As Richard Stallman says, free software is about freedom. +Let's keep it that way. + +><i> The PLF approach has been a good one because it allows the specific +</I>><i> option of touching the taint or not while accepting the official +</I>><i> distro defaults. +</I> +I think so too. +PLF packages also enable many options which are somewhat incompatible +with the free/open source philosophy, but not necessarily legally +constrained. So there is a role available for PLF that would probably +not be as well served by a set of constrained repos on Mageia. + +- André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001731.html">[Mageia-dev] Proposal for bugzilla +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1730">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1730">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1730">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1730">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |