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Depending on how you want to fudge the figures. +But maybe it is because they (in policy at least) exclude non-free +software ? +And just how rigorously do they apply a no patent-constrained software +policy ? + +Haven't I heard somewhere that Fedora (and RedHat) are based in the U.S. +? So wouldn't it be natural to expect that it would have a higher +proportion of sites there ? + +><i> And I didn't count other country such as Japan, where patents on software +</I>><i> are permitted ( <A HREF="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Japan">http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Japan</A> ), and where the count of PLF +</I>><i> mirrors vs Fedora mirrors is 0 to 8. +</I> +0 ± 1 gives 0 to 12%. Same ballpark. +Also, recruiting Fedora mirrors could be driven by the commercial +interests of RedHat. + +><i> More ever, the fact that this is hosted by some private and rather anonymous +</I>><i> company is also a important point. Ie, no .edu or big telco ever contacted +</I>><i> PLF to host a mirror, while in France and another country, PLF have both. +</I> +Considering that PLF is based on Mandriva, and Mandriva is based in +France, wouldn't it be natural to expect PLF to be better represented +there ? + +>><i> Also, there are only about 400 packages for i586 in PLF mirrors. +</I>>><i> Since most are duplicated, I wonder how many distinct packages there are ? +</I>>><i> Somehow doubt that an unlicenced copy of quotes from the Simpsons +</I>>><i> (one of the 2 plf packages that I didn't find also in Mandriva main) +</I>>><i> is going to be a big attraction. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You should look a little bit more closely. For example, libdvdcss2 is plf only. +</I>><i> So does various emulator, lame ( and related like darkice ), gstreamer-bad, +</I>><i> etc. There is amule, and similar software. More than 2. +</I> +Of the twenty or so PLF packages that I found looking through available +packages with Mandriva and PLF repositories enabled, only 2 did not also +have the same version in Mandriva. (All Mandriva main, in this sample.) + That is about 10% not in Mandriva. +So for arguments sake let's say 20% are not in Mandriva. That makes +only about 80 packages only in PLF. +Impressive, isn't it ? + +BTW, gstreamer*plugins-bad is in Mandriva contrib. + +I'm not trying to say that PLF does not serve a useful role, +particularly for applications which would be better to avoid putting in +a distro, for legal or other contraints. +Offhand, libdvdcss* seems to be a good example. + +Just that I don't think that patent considerations should be - except in +rare circonstances - a serious enough contraint to consider excluding a +package from regular repositories. + +><i> I am sure that using a small shell script, the exact number could be found, if +</I>><i> someone want to invest the time. +</I> +Actually I was only talking numbers to indicate that the numbers don't +prove your point, even if we were to accept that they were a valid means +of determining the effect of the patent issue on potential mirror sites. +There are too many other factors for these numbers to be meaningful. +For example, large multi-mirror sites may not be very interested in +mirroring small sites, with a relatively small demand. +And sites at universities could be driven by the interests of a few +students, who could reasonably be less aware of smaller, more obscure sites. +(Mandriva was dropped from a local canadian university site last year, +probably because the supporting students moved on.) + +And don't forget, we don't need many sites worldwide to serve the small +number of applications on PLF. + +Another 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001715.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1714">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1714">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1714">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1714">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |