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(One less consideration.) +</I>>>>><i> As well, the problem doesn't exist in France, so Mageia itself won't +</I>>>>><i> be a target. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This is a over simplification. +</I>>>><i> PLF is not only for patented softwares, but also for softwares that +</I>>>><i> have others issues ( DMCA, copyright claim, etc ). +</I>>>><i> So from a packaging point of view, we would still +</I>>>><i> have a separate repository, so the consideration would +</I>>>><i> likely still exist. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Indeed. But it then shows that it really makes sense to separate +</I>>><i> issues per packaging media (so that end-users may decide on a +</I>>><i> case-by-case basis), provided each issue is not valid worldwide, +</I>>><i> neither uniformely. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> PLF has a policy ( enforced by a rpmlint module and a check at upload, iirc ) +</I>><i> of explaining why a package is in plf, and let user decide. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think that is is quite important to know why a package is in such repositories, +</I>><i> and later, once we have a better view of what are the exact requirements of mirrors, +</I>><i> and if this is worth, we can find a more granular system ( ie, filtering for just +</I>><i> 2 mirrors when we will already have many others do not seem like a wise idea ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And so basically, we have 2 groups : +</I>><i> Users and mirrors. +</I>><i> We push the responsability to users to decide what they want to install. +</I>><i> And for mirrors, we provide them with a simple system to decide. People +</I>><i> who do not care do not care. People who care would likely not spend +</I>><i> days checking every packages. +</I> +Sounds reasonable. + +As for the mirrors, I would say the best thing to do is use PLF for +constrained packages, with their accompanying explanations. + +But I would be very conservative about putting patent-constrained +software in such a repository. +Why ? Firstly, the risk has been shown to be largely hypothetical. +It is the companies that make a profit by selling patent-constrained +software that are pursued. +Besides the potential of monetory benefit from this practice, I think +that there is another factor involved. The companies want these patents +to be used, in order to collect royalties. They know that non-profit +distributions will not lead to royalties. But at the same time, the +fact that their patents are used by such distributions increases the +prevalence of the usage, thus tends to limit the development of +alternate technologies. The last thing they want is a viable free +alternative to become widely available, as then profit-making royalty +payers will have a less expensive alternative. +So as contradictory as it may seem, it is in the interest of patent +holders to avoid discouraging open source software from using their +patents for free. + +For this reason, I would favour waiting until we (or our mirrors) are +actually approached regarding a particular patent before considering +removing a package from regular repositories for patent reasons. + +>><i> Putting everything under a "tainted" repository will just push the +</I>>><i> problem one step aside. Putting issues separately helps having a clear +</I>>><i> policy, per type of issue (because the problem is different). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Either we have 1 repository, or we have more. +</I> +I think that one PLF repository for constrained packages, with +explanations of why it is there, could be a reasonable compromise. +(Most but not all PLF packages carry an explanation.) +Some things in PLF should definitely be excluded from Mageia, such as +copyrighted material without permission to distribute. + +><i> 1 per global type of issue do not seem useful. For example, patents +</I>><i> are per country ( or group of country ), despites some efforts to global +</I>><i> harmonisation. The same apply to local laws ( DMCA, etc ). So saying +</I>><i> "everything patents related go there" do not help much, neither mirrors or +</I>><i> users. +</I> +As I explained above, I think we should not separate patent-constrained +software until we are approached by the patenting party in question. +This will help minimize (and maybe eliminate) the need for a set of +constrained repositories. + +And have the side effect of simplifying our process, by avoiding dealing +with the ambiguity of deciding what should be treated as +patent-constrainted software. + +><i> ... +</I> +- André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001707.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001705.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1710">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1710">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1710">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1710">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |