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(that is, we just consider they are all invalid as +</I>>><i> such). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >From a mirror maintainer's view: +</I>><i> If I am in a country like France (not acknowledging SP) I can ignore +</I>><i> safely the issue +</I>><i> If I am in a country which does acknowledge SP I will have to decide +</I>><i> for myself if I want to take that risk. THis may be an easy decision +</I>><i> in some countries but in others (like the USA) it may be a hard +</I>><i> decision, also depending on who I am (a private person or a large +</I>><i> institution/organisation). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >From the users's view: +</I>><i> Living in a country without SP (or not caring about the issue) it is +</I>><i> the easiest way. I can use automagical setup of media and need not +</I>><i> worry about an extra repo to set before I can watch my DVDs :) +</I>><i> Again in a country like USA I have to decide for myself - this would +</I>><i> be a nightmare if the "whatever-dubious" software is included in the +</I>><i> normal repos. I would have to find out by myself which is "ok" to use +</I>><i> and which is not. +</I> +Ok, but you still take into account SP in your answer. :-p (we would +have come to that, but the idea was to think about it from a naïve, +software-patent-free perspective). + +So... let's take the European Union case, namely, no SP (see next §). +We just don't have to split the media. Easier for everyone in this +territory. + +Well, thing is, even though there is a European policy about that... +it's been unbalanced and challenged for years. In the end, it's just a +mess and law is lagging behind; if not just broken. So it's going to +be, anyway, a battle of positions before something clear and +"definitive" comes out. + +Still. What if? Where is it an issue to distribute/mirror then? Only where: + - SP do exist by law; + - and specific SP are registered on pieces of software distributed/mirrored; + - and these SP are not invalidated (de facto or obviously) by some prior art; + - and those SP are likely to be enforced (that is, practically, there +is a minimum incentive for a patent holder to raise his hand; or, that +it is worth it to enforce it). + +Coming back to my previous post, maybe we should just try something +simple and go from that. + +Shall we take a stance despite SP (for they are just not relevant), +worldwide or more reasonably have a simple, risk-management based +attitude to alter our media/mirror policy only if something happens? + +That would relate somehow to Debian policy in this regard, as misc +mentionned in the "Why validate software patents ?" thread on +mageia-dev, Dec. 8th, ~12:58. And that sounds a decent attitude; see +<A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365390#20">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365390#20</A> or +<A HREF="http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/01/msg00316.html">http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/01/msg00316.html</A> . + +So why not take it the same way, not have a distinct media and see +what happens on notices? + +Yes, this would raise mirroring issues (that would occur anyway), that +we can minify with a policy to manage that globaly; that when an issue +is raised: + - try to fix it for the whole project, not just for some area, so the +weight of the whole community (not only Mageia for that matter) is +behind the case, and not only a local chapter; + - remove only software that gets a full score through this list (to +be updated): + * has an identifiable patent registered on it (exact code/method, +exact patent description); + * has been notified about by the holder (or representative); + * whose holder is identifiable; + * whose holder does not provide a free use license; + * which patent: + - has not expired; + - is not already invalidated; + - has no obvious prior art; + - is being actively enforced; + * other? + - such software or components would be made separately available only +(so we still manage that it depends on the territory). + +So we start with an empty "tainted/whatever" media. And again, see +what happens. That's an option. + + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001686.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001691.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1690">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1690">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1690">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1690">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |