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Ie, there was much more people to produce rpm than +people to +1) take care of update ( secteam, 2 people ) +2) take care of testing update ( qateam, 1-3 people ) + +Being unbalanced lead to the main/contribs split with the complexity and +problem that went with it. Of course, the goal is not to have less +packagers, but rather more Qa people, the 2 being not exclusive. + +This then bring to the simple question is "why did we have more +packagers than QA ?" + +My own opinion is that because packaging was opened to external +contribution since almost the start ( since 10 years, packagers number +have growth ), while QA was not, and I suppose that was due to a lack of +time devoted on making QA more open ( ironically likely due to a lack of +ressources at the first place ). + +And so, I think we are now in a totally different situation. QA will be +more open, because it cannot be closed. We can ( and I think we should ) +make the QA ressources grow with the packagers one ( among others ). + +So how can we do ? + +While this may not seems apparent at first sight, I think that Fedora is +actually leading in term of community QA process ( we still had the lead +in term of automated QA ). + +Basically, packages that are updated requires to be noted, with a system +of karma ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi_Guide#Karma">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi_Guide#Karma</A> ). +Positive karma, the update is pushed, negative, it is not. + +Anybody can test anything, even if there is also a proven tester group. + +There is even the concept of critical path packages, aka very important +package that must be deeply tested +( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages</A> ). + +Of course, the system is not perfect and will not solve everything. For +example, last week, openldap update broke server functionality : +( <A HREF="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-November/146097.html">http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-November/146097.html</A> ) + +But still, having community enabled QA is a great way to have every grow +properly. +And in fact, that's exactly one of the feature of your project +mageia-app-db. So we could indeed have a better QAteam by easing the +work of community, using mageia-app-db. Ie, take regular user, and turn +them in QA team member. + +And so, doing like this would enable to give us : +- real involvement from some users +- balanced community, not overwhelmed by technical maniac packagers +( like me ) +- having a better Qa, for a better system + +So while nothing is done, while I am not a member of the QA team nor a +leader, while I just speak to voice my opinion, and while this is just a +proposal based on what other have done to solve the same issue than us, +this show that we can have more ressources than what Mandriva had. + +Ie, we need to think with a fresh mind, and I am sure that people can +creatively propose solutions on the problem : + +"how can we have a more balanced QA and packagers team". + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001559.html">[Mageia-dev] Support policy +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1560">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1560">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1560">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1560">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |