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In a community driven distribution, this distinction may remains valid : some packages are officially supported by the distribution, others may or may not be, depending on the maintainer (or lack of maintainer). +</I>>><i> +</I> +Exactly. And remember that the proposed restriction for core was those +packages necessary to a typical desktop or server or development system, +plus a *few* very useful/widely used packages such as LibreOffice +(OpenOffice) and Firefox. +Suggested to be included was "complete desktops", which would be +somewhat subjective as well. +Outside of these potentially controversial borderline cases, what would +be in core would be well defined. +><i> We don't need separate medias to show that there are two sets of +</I>><i> packages, supported and unsupported. I think using separate medias adds +</I>><i> useless complexity. +</I>If we look at our origins, we are not adding media here. +But we are limiting what is in "core" (main). +Note that in their reorganization, Mandriva is moving in the same direction. +I see this more as a refocus of the packaging process, much like the +(very useful) addition of backports_testing. + +><i> We could for instance provide a file on api.mageia.org +</I>><i> containing the list of officially supported packages. It would also have +</I>><i> other advantages : +</I>><i> - You can see how many unsupported packages and which ones are installed +</I>><i> on your system. This is not possible with main/contrib, if you enabled +</I>><i> contrib temporarly to install a few packages. +</I>><i> +</I> +This is not really related to one or 2 groups of repositories. Although +doing that for *officially fully supported* packages should be +moderately easier with separate groups. +Note that many packages in "extra" would also be very well supported, by +the packager or official maintainer. + +The idea is not that the Mageia community would not support "extra" +packages. +It is just that if an "extra" package breaks, it shouldn't break a +user's system. +But if a "core" package breaks, we would expect that it would break many +users' systems. +Thus the priority to ensure that "core" packages are always fixed in a +timely manner. + +><i> - You can change the package status (supported/unsupported) after the +</I>><i> release, if needed. +</I>><i> +</I>If the division is well defined, we should rarely need to change a +package's status. +There will be many well supported packages in "extra". + +><i> - Some packages can have a different support time. On Mandriva, "Base +</I>><i> system& components" was supported longer, but it was not clear which +</I>><i> packages were part of this. +</I>><i> +</I>Core is proposed to be largely "base system & components". Part of the +idea is to make clearer, to everyone, which packages have an enhanced +level of support. +Support time is another (useful) question. + +><i> - This file could also list known security issues for unsupported +</I>><i> and supported packages. +</I>><i> +</I>Not related to the core/extra question, but a useful feature. For +Mageia-app-db project :) + +><i> - Some packages have a lot of optional plugins, and we build them all, +</I>><i> adding a lot of build requires. With main/contrib separation we need +</I>><i> to add all the build dependencies to main, even if most of them are +</I>><i> not runtime dependencies. +</I>><i> +</I> +We will have to be more selective for core packages, to avoid this problem. +Maybe "suggests", or other features being added with rpm5. + +I would agree that, at least in the transition, this would make more +work for packagers. +But in the longer term we will have a much more stable system. +I see this as one of the key advantages of this "core" / "extra" separation. + +(Hopefully we will also get rid of annoyances such as requiring everyone +to install thai localisations.) +(Note that Mandriva is moving to rpm5 for their next full release +(proposed for May 2011), which has more features for building rpms. +Presumably Mageia will follow.) + +- André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001511.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001520.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1519">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1519">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1519">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1519">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |