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While it may be biased toward +some geographical preference ( ie, I doubt many people download locale-zh +from distrib-coffee ), it can give at least some ideas. Nothing precise, but +still better than random. + +><i> > > By having the /extra/ disabled by default, and a popup notifying the +</I>><i> > > user if he enables it that the packages are "unmaintained" he knows +</I>><i> > > he's "on his own" +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's already what the GPL say, basically :) +</I>><i> > ( you have no garantee of anything ). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yet, I fail to see what benefit it does really bring to users. Most of them +</I>><i> > will enable the media ( because some people enable everything ), will +</I>><i> > forget the message ( because we always forget popup, thanks +</I>><i> > to endless abuse of such popup ), +</I>><i> > and the only benefit is that we could tell "we told you". Not really +</I>><i> > satisfying, and if I was a user, it would not really please me, nor +</I>><i> > inspire confidence. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> some would, but that they'd also enable testing, backports, debug, etc... if +</I>><i> they really do so, it's kind of their own fault. i don't think the majority +</I>><i> does that. the majority leaves it at default. +</I> +And so the majority will say "$distro is bad because there is not enough software". + +><i> The thing is that you have no guarantee, but the thing is, with mdv, there's +</I>><i> too much packages that just don't work; you install it, you click in the menu +</I>><i> and nothing happens because it doesn't work. +</I> +So too much is 10%, more ? + +><i> same thing and one of them is in extra; then i get only one, if i can't find +</I>><i> any, i can enable the searching in extra and try to find a package that works. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> that's why i personally would prefer to leave these off by default. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > We could avoid adding a media by merging this media with core, +</I>><i> > and show the popup when a user install a package without maintainer, +</I>><i> > telling either "beware, this package is currently marked as not maintained, +</I>><i> > and may be buggy. We will try to do what we can to help in this case, but +</I>><i> > no one is officialy in charge" or "we are seeking help on taking care of +</I>><i> > this package, if you use it often, please register on $URL" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> this popup will get ignored too; and persons who are perfectly aware of it, +</I>><i> will grow irritated. +</I> +Then, we can do a single "do not ask me again", or just show it once ? + +><i> +</I>><i> futhermore: (no separate extra) +</I>><i> - huge amount of packages (think of the mirrors) +</I> +mirror space is taken with extra or core. So the argument do not stand much. +Now, this would be a arguent for simply erasing those unmaintained packages. + +><i> - huge hdlists +</I> +Indeed. But if we want to have people be able to search +inside like you said you would, this would still be downloaded, be used ( so in memory ) +and on the mirror. So that's also not much a good reason. +( however, if we remove them... ) + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001473.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1472">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1472">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1472">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1472">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |