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However, i do +</I>><i> >> > understand that some people would not want to install firmware, but i +</I>><i> >> > think we should do this in another way, (like installing a meta package +</I>><i> >> > that enforces some limits.) +</I>><i> >> > codecs seem odd to be separate, if they have patented problems they +</I>><i> >> > should go in non_free, if no problem, they can go in core. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> That is doable. +</I>><i> >> The reason for having it separate was because its the most "problematic" +</I>><i> >> one. (codecs have more issues than firmware) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What i meant here, is why is firmware separate from core? why is codecs +</I>><i> > separate from core? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > imo, i would put firmware and codecs in either core or non_free. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess we should separate concerns? +</I>><i> - non_free as in "not (really) free software" (source code may be +</I>><i> available, but license, redistribution conditions, etc.) +</I>><i> - problematic stuff as in "binary closed thing" (most firmware, but +</I>><i> not only eventually) +</I> +Well, "binary closed thing" mean "source code may be available, but not for anybody +outside the company". It look like a lot like "source code may be +available, but license, redistribution conditions" , with redistribution conditions +mean "no unless you are the shareholder board" . +So they are the same thing, ie non_free. + +><i> - problematic stuff as in "(likely) patented" (some codecs) +</I> +Patented and likely enforced. There is some patents on WebM, since google bought +ON2, but they gave a patent promise. The same could go for invalid patents, where there +is clear prior art, like <A HREF="http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/11/patent-madness-by-tandberg/">http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/11/patent-madness-by-tandberg/</A> . + +We could also speak of Java, and the claims from Oracle ( +<A HREF="http://www.betanews.com/article/This-is-big-Oracle-claims-Android-violates-its-Java-patents-sues-Google/1281675545">http://www.betanews.com/article/This-is-big-Oracle-claims-Android-violates-its-Java-patents-sues-Google/1281675545</A> ), +which would be quite broad, <A HREF="http://www.google.com/patents?id=dyQGAAAAEBAJ">http://www.google.com/patents?id=dyQGAAAAEBAJ</A> for example seems either invalid, or very similar +to selinux and traditional unix permissions, the sae goes for <A HREF="http://www.google.com/patents?id=G1YGAAAAEBAJ">http://www.google.com/patents?id=G1YGAAAAEBAJ</A> . + +So codecs definitly doesn't sound like the proper name if we may end putting the whole java stack there. +( since there is patents, and since they are clearly enforced, and since openjdk is free software (=> ! non_free ) ). + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001446.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001457.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1453">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1453">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1453">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1453">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |