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+ <B>Buchan Milne</B>
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+ <I>Fri Oct 8 19:16:29 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Friday, 8 October 2010 16:30:42 andr&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 &#224; 11:14 -0400, Greg Harris a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I certainly agree, and mean no disrespect to you and other maintainers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; who generously contribute their time and energy. But the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; implementation of backports is not a solution for those who want a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; continuously updated distro. It works for me and I appreciate that it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; there. But if you are going to design a new and appealing alternative,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the effort required to make backports really known and useful needs to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; be taken into account.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, that's a long running task. First, we have added meta data to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repository so we could design a better interface for the software ( ie,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; how to detect that a packages is a backport and how to see a software is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a update, a test update, or something else ), then we need to implement
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the soft, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You spoke of having backport by default. We used to do it, but too much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people faced issue and complained. So we 1) said the truth, aka backport
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; didn't have the same rigorous testing 2) disabled it by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now, if things change ( ie, if we have a process with more QA ), we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; change again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Backports are definitely an area needing improvement. Firstly, it is a
+</I>&gt;<i> bit awkward - especially with the waiting for Rpmdrake to process - to
+</I>&gt;<i> temporarily access backports.
+</I>
+I thought you could just select the backports dropdown? If not, maybe you
+should rather use 'urpmi --searchmedia Backports &lt;packagename&gt;'.
+
+Anyway, this isn't an issue with the &quot;release cycle&quot; aspect, it is a UI/design
+problem in rpmdrake.
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+&gt;<i> And when I have, most of the time what I was interested in was not as up
+</I>&gt;<i> to date as the developper's site, if there was a backport for the
+</I>&gt;<i> application (or type of application) in question.
+</I>
+Was it up-to-date in cooker? If not, this is probably purely a man-power
+problem. If it was, did you request a backport? As I mentioned before, I think
+one shortcoming of backports was knowing what packages people were interested
+in having backported.
+
+But, I know of many instances where backports were requested on IRC, and
+provided within under an hour (on the fast mirrors).
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+&gt;<i> Luckily, being a programmer, it is not problematic for me to compile and
+</I>&gt;<i> create menu entries, etc, if necessary.
+</I>
+There's no reason you should waste time that could be better spent. In some
+cases, pushing a backport takes all of 2 minutes.
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