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Not always known even by the developers. How should the +packager know about all the incompatibilities ? + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#871">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#871">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#871">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#871">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000872.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000872.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..af779b057 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000872.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010060112590.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000871.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000875.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010060112590.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 01:24:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#872">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#872">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#872">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#872">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: + +><i> > 1) I'd never use Mandriva on a server, because of the short support +</I>><i> > period, a server OS requires at least 4-5 years support lifecycles +</I>><i> > (I'm not talking about MES here, just the normal Mandriva variants) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But you can still use it while it is supported, and upgrade to a newer +</I>><i> realease when it's no more supported. +</I> +Are you serious? Upgrading a server every 18 months? +No thanks, I rather use a distro that has at least a 4-5 year support +lifecycle for that, than waste my time with unnecessary upgrades of a +server. + +><i> > 3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good +</I>><i> > judgement and not include major incompatible version changes +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is always some small (and sometimes big) incompatibilities with +</I>><i> new versions. Not always known even by the developers. How should the +</I>><i> packager know about all the incompatibilities ? +</I> +Correction: +There is always A SMALL RISK of incompatibilities with new versions. + +Anyone who wants next to zero risk will choose Centos rather than +Mandriva/Mageia anyway, so for the kind of distro we are doing +providing updated packages is a much bigger attraction for potential +users, than the small risk of an incompatibility. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#872">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#872">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#872">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#872">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000873.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000873.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b49173ea2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000873.html @@ -0,0 +1,145 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005213904.622b8ac6.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000905.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000898.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005213904.622b8ac6.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 04:39:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#873">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#873">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#873">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#873">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:00:46 -0400 +Sinner from the Prairy <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> Juan Luis Baptiste wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Parra +</I>><i> > <gato2707-/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">E1597aS9LQGXtTpemXPTA at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >> A different approach could be a "light rolling distro", let me explain. A +</I>><i> >> distro with a selected number of programs updated regular as their new +</I>><i> >> versions are available. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > That's what backports are for, no need for a "light rolling distro", +</I>><i> > just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia +</I>><i> > versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of +</I>><i> > the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I totally agree with both Juan Luis Baptiste and Buchan Milne. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No rolling release! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is just a fancy word. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But then, the "goals" of "rolling release" are already accomplished with the +</I>><i> current Mandriva system, and I hope Mageia will keep this functionality: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> backports +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Probably, what needs to happen is to publicize more backports for +</I>><i> advanced/cutting edge/rolling users instead of changing something that is +</I>><i> not broken. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's maybe a solution, backports, but let me be less ambiguous about a different model. +</I> +When a expert group are working in a re-engineering process at any company, the first wall that they need to broke is: "Oh, but, this is the way in we work since... ¡and it's works fine for us! + +In the same way the backport method (called different as different distros are in this world) is the same since... ¡and it works fine for us! + +Mageia are trying to be different than other distros (as I understand). Unfortunately I only have read a lot of answers told me why no (thanks to all of you), but any of them made any improvement to my idea, as well there aren't any alternative way. + +When Mandriva was madded first time, its goal was to be a very user friendly distro; a Linux for non technical people. But at now there are a new world with a lot of distros with the same goal. For this reason we must do our new way. + +In example: + +For the same reasons that I have read here, a lot of users never turn on a backport repository, with hundreds of packages inside it, but maybe if there is another repository called "top 10" or something like that (remember I proposed run a poll), these hypothetical users may turn on that repository. + +Are there countries with a expensive rates or a slow dial-up connections? Surely they are more comfortable with Mageia knowing that they don't need to download a 700 MB each six months (surely more if they need to install more applications) cause they only need the next version of... + +No other distro has an feature like this, it probably become a better offer in a very fragmented and competitive world of GNU / Linux distros. + +I don't want to create any more controversial. I only need one thing of you: +Before answer me why not. Made a question to your self: What if...? + +Regards from Mexico. + +-- +Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#873">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#873">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#873">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#873">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000874.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000874.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b3dfb5ad3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000874.html @@ -0,0 +1,149 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005220217.6aa3156b.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000898.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000878.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005220217.6aa3156b.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 05:02:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#874">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#874">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#874">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#874">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:47:20 +0200 +Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga-ju+53DPtYRFAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and backports +</I>><i> > for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How is it a waste? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +</I>><i> Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +</I>><i> boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +</I>><i> versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +</I>><i> applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +</I>><i> personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. +</I> +Please don't write words in my name, I never wrote something like that, security and stability are as important to as for an any other user, but I need the latest version of some programs, without upgrade all the distro every 6 months. + +><i> +</I>><i> > I do agree that Mageia should be a semi-rolling distro. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > By "semi rolling distro" I mean the following: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Release a distro every 8-12 months (the exact cyle is not the point I'm +</I>><i> > debating here, it could be 6 months too, it doesn't mater for the concept +</I>><i> > I'm trying to explain). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Provide updates/security patches for all the basic stuff that has a lot of +</I>><i> > dependencies (kernel, core libs, kde, gnome, xorg, etc.). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Provide newer release rather than backported security patches for all other +</I>><i> > apps. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In other words, backports (rather than backported security fixes) should be +</I>><i> > the rule for everything apart from the core system stuff that has loads of +</I>><i> > dependencies. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This would reduce the space requirements on the mirrors and it would mean +</I>><i> > that Mageia is a "rolling distro" for most apps, making it more attractive +</I>><i> > compared to ubuntu/Fedora/opensuse and at the same time reduce the workload +</I>><i> > for packagers. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +</I>><i> be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +</I>><i> users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +</I>><i> introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +</I>><i> experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +</I>><i> inexperienced user won't. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +</I>><i> right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +</I>><i> new/inexperienced/non-power user? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>><i> +</I> +-- + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#874">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#874">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#874">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#874">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000875.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000875.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..eee19b5ae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000875.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286334426.29594.281.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000872.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000877.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286334426.29594.281.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 05:07:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#875">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#875">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#875">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#875">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 01:24 +0200, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > 1) I'd never use Mandriva on a server, because of the short support +</I>><i> > > period, a server OS requires at least 4-5 years support lifecycles +</I>><i> > > (I'm not talking about MES here, just the normal Mandriva variants) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But you can still use it while it is supported, and upgrade to a newer +</I>><i> > realease when it's no more supported. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Are you serious? Upgrading a server every 18 months? +</I> +I do. I even update them more often. And you would be surprised to see +that it doesn't create as much problem as you can think, if the sysadmin +is competent enough. + +The idea that desktops can be upgraded often, but server should not is +artificial separation. Sometimes, you want to not update your desktop +computer. I do not want to update the one at my parents house because it +doesn't need to. And sometimes, you want to run a server with current +software. The existence of backports for lots of server software for +RHEL is the proof that there is a demand for newer software even on +server. The fact that RH is paid to backport hardware drivers in RHEL is +the proof that there is also a demand to have newer kernel, with updated +drivers. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#875">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#875">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#875">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#875">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000876.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000876.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..243789133 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000876.html @@ -0,0 +1,150 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052306.41676.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000880.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052306.41676.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 00:06:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#876">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#876">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#876">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#876">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:46:45 Samuel Verschelde wrote: +><i> Hello to everyone on the list, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As some people said in another thread, Mandriva's current media schema +</I>><i> already gives the opportunity to : - install newer versions of software if +</I>><i> needed (from backports media), - keep a stable system with only security +</I>><i> fixes if needed (updates media, for servers or any workstation where +</I>><i> stability counts more than being bleeding-edge) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, we can improve things around backports, updates, testing and debug +</I>><i> media for the end user's benefit. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'd like to propose the following improvements if you think they would be +</I>><i> good (and I'm ready to help make them happen) : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - a section on the mageia website dedicated to package updates : what's new +</I>><i> in security/bugfix updates, what's new in backports (aka version updates), +</I>><i> ... with screen captures, description of what changed in this version, +</I>><i> links to upstream websites, comments from users, focus on some +</I>><i> applications... +</I> +Please take into consideration features that might be beneficial to package +maintainers as well. If you haven't yet, please look at e.g. Youri project, +Sophie etc. + +><i> Some user communities already did that for 3rd party +</I>><i> repositories for Mandriva, and having it in a centralized and visible +</I>><i> place would make backports more visible. How many users know that latest +</I>><i> versions for wine, wesnoth (one of the best opensource games), vlc, and +</I>><i> many other packages are already available in backports media for mandriva +</I>><i> ? Today there is a changelog mailing list, but this is not for everyone. +</I>><i> This would be more user-centric than packager-centric. I tried to improve +</I>><i> backports visibility on the Mandriva forum, but without any automation it +</I>><i> took an enormous amount of time to maintain : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewforum.php?f=123">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewforum.php?f=123</A> (see threads beginning with +</I>><i> "New Soft" or "Backport") +</I> +RSS feed or use of twitter by build system may be useful .... + + +><i> - add a "welcome" screen to rpmdrake, where people could choose between : +</I>><i> * Browse and install security / bugfix updates +</I>><i> * Browse and install new versions of software ("backports") +</I>><i> * Install new software +</I>><i> * Uninstall software +</I>><i> * Skip this newbie step and get me to the real stuff, I'll use the various +</I>><i> options to do what I need Rpmdrake can also be enhanced to show for each +</I>><i> package update whether it's a backport or a standard update. It's not easy +</I>><i> currently (you have to dig into package details). +</I> +I would like a column for 'medium name' or so, which you could sort on ... + +><i> - (the biggest part, but the one with most long term benefits I hope) add +</I>><i> metadata to media to make urpmi more media-aware. Today, rpmdrake detects +</I>><i> backports because the backports media have "backports" in their name. +</I>><i> That's a (useful) hack, but we could do better. One solution could be to +</I>><i> give metadata to each media : * release vs updates vs backports +</I>><i> * testing vs stable +</I>><i> * debug vs non-debug +</I>><i> Combination of these "tags" would give the following media : +</I>><i> * main release (just like today's media) +</I>><i> * main updates +</I>><i> * main updates testing : for update candidates, this is our current +</I>><i> "main testing" media * main backports +</I>><i> * main backports testing : for backports candidates (as someone who +</I>><i> frequently does backports, I sometimes feel the lack for it) +</I> +As long as it doesn't take the focus off the development release. In Mandriva, +I think there were some uploads to backports before the upload to cooker, +which can cause problems for users if not corrected. + +><i> * main +</I>><i> release debug... +</I>><i> * contrib... +</I>><i> * non-free... +</I>><i> It may seem a lot of media, but in fact you have to think they all are only +</I>><i> flavours of the main, contrib, non-free, and other media. We can think of +</I>><i> a better presentation in UI tools that will in fact make them appear less +</I>><i> cluttered than it is today : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/media-configuration-proposal.ods">http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/media-configuration-proposal.ods</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In CLI, urpmi would default to using only release and updates media (which +</I>><i> you could change in configuration if needed), and you could use other +</I>><i> media with the following switches for example : --use-backports : enables +</I>><i> all backports media +</I>><i> --use-testing : enables all testing media +</I>><i> --use-debug : enables all debug media +</I> +Well, using the 'name hack', for some time (since 2009.1?), users who have +"default" repos should currently be able to use '--searchmedia Backports', '-- +searchmedia Testing', '--searchmedia Debug' for the same purpose. (May require +urpmi.update of the medium first). + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#876">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#876">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#876">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#876">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000877.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000877.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..582348311 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000877.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dsqqq0%3D%3DhAnmQ5y4-oO%3DaAd_Js2e89REo1d-vm%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000875.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000882.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Raphaël Jadot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dsqqq0%3D%3DhAnmQ5y4-oO%3DaAd_Js2e89REo1d-vm%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ashledombos at hodo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 08:15:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#877">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#877">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#877">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#877">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/6 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> I do. I even update them more often. And you would be surprised to see +</I>><i> that it doesn't create as much problem as you can think, if the sysadmin +</I>><i> is competent enough. +</I> +However many small companies can't pay a competent enough sysadmin. + +It's why they often choose what seems for them the most simple solution. + +I certainly don't know which is the best for a distro, but as long as +there will be so much sweat and "fear" about upgrading a distro, there +will be this recurrent discussion. + +I know that they have not as much users as mandriva do, and also they +are young, but unity linux started with the idea of a small core with +long term release, and branches that add packages such as desktop, wm, +de etc. that can have a short term release. + +Just telling that for the discussion, not that this is what to do :) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#877">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#877">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#877">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#877">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000878.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000878.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8ef883b61 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000878.html @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinhWr9LCF4RqKRSf5xVrvVdE9ksxkxYcNH0p109%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000874.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000885.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinhWr9LCF4RqKRSf5xVrvVdE9ksxkxYcNH0p109%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 08:19:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#878">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#878">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#878">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#878">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 6 October 2010 05:02, Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> wrote: +><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:47:20 +0200 +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga-ju+53DPtYRFAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and backports +</I>>><i> > for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> How is it a waste? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +</I>>><i> Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +</I>>><i> boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +</I>>><i> versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +</I>>><i> applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +</I>>><i> personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please don't write words in my name, I never wrote something like that, security and stability are as important to as for an any other user, but I need the latest version of some programs, without upgrade all the distro every 6 months. +</I>><i> +</I> +I didn't mean to put words in your mouth; I wasn't talking about you +in particular but about school/university computer labs case in +general. + +And what I posted doesn't contradict "I need the latest version of +some programs, without upgrade all the distro every 6 months."; I am +pro backports repos (when possible), but not a rolling distro model. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#878">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#878">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#878">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#878">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000879.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000879.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab8a84ef8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000879.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010060825.24576.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000884.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000881.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010060825.24576.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 08:25:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#879">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#879">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#879">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#879">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op woensdag 06 oktober 2010 01:24:39 schreef Tux99: +><i> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>><i> > > 1) I'd never use Mandriva on a server, because of the short support +</I>><i> > > period, a server OS requires at least 4-5 years support lifecycles +</I>><i> > > (I'm not talking about MES here, just the normal Mandriva variants) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But you can still use it while it is supported, and upgrade to a newer +</I>><i> > realease when it's no more supported. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Are you serious? Upgrading a server every 18 months? +</I>><i> No thanks, I rather use a distro that has at least a 4-5 year support +</I>><i> lifecycle for that, than waste my time with unnecessary upgrades of a +</I>><i> server. +</I> +I'd rather have that too + +><i> > > 3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good +</I>><i> > > judgement and not include major incompatible version changes +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > There is always some small (and sometimes big) incompatibilities with +</I>><i> > new versions. Not always known even by the developers. How should the +</I>><i> > packager know about all the incompatibilities ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Correction: +</I>><i> There is always A SMALL RISK of incompatibilities with new versions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anyone who wants next to zero risk will choose Centos rather than +</I>><i> Mandriva/Mageia anyway, so for the kind of distro we are doing +</I>><i> providing updated packages is a much bigger attraction for potential +</I>><i> users, than the small risk of an incompatibility. +</I> +This is non-sensical; i will never choose Centos for a server, if i was to +have a bug, where would i go with it??? + +I don't want to have unnecessary risks for my server. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#879">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#879">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#879">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#879">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000880.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000880.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dbc3ead1e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000880.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C201010060944.37256.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000876.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000883.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C201010060944.37256.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 09:44:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#880">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#880">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#880">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#880">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 00:06:41, Buchan Milne a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:46:45 Samuel Verschelde wrote: +</I>><i> > - a section on the mageia website dedicated to package updates : what's new +</I>><i> > in security/bugfix updates, what's new in backports (aka version updates), +</I>><i> > ... with screen captures, description of what changed in this version, +</I>><i> > links to upstream websites, comments from users, focus on some +</I>><i> > applications... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please take into consideration features that might be beneficial to package +</I>><i> maintainers as well. If you haven't yet, please look at e.g. Youri project, +</I>><i> Sophie etc. +</I> +The one I'm talking about would be primarily geared towards end-users. However, why not indeed share efforts between packager's needs and user's needs. Some are common, others aren't. With a clever architecture, this is attainable. What about a unique back-end, but 2 different frontends ? + +><i> +</I>><i> RSS feed or use of twitter by build system may be useful .... +</I> +Indeed. I thought about them but forgot to write them down. + +><i> > - (the biggest part, but the one with most long term benefits I hope) add +</I>><i> > metadata to media to make urpmi more media-aware. Today, rpmdrake detects +</I>><i> > backports because the backports media have "backports" in their name. +</I>><i> > That's a (useful) hack, but we could do better. One solution could be to +</I>><i> > give metadata to each media : * release vs updates vs backports +</I>><i> > * testing vs stable +</I>><i> > * debug vs non-debug +</I>><i> > Combination of these "tags" would give the following media : +</I>><i> > * main release (just like today's media) +</I>><i> > * main updates +</I>><i> > * main updates testing : for update candidates, this is our current +</I>><i> > "main testing" media * main backports +</I>><i> > * main backports testing : for backports candidates (as someone who +</I>><i> > frequently does backports, I sometimes feel the lack for it) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As long as it doesn't take the focus off the development release. In Mandriva, +</I>><i> I think there were some uploads to backports before the upload to cooker, +</I>><i> which can cause problems for users if not corrected. +</I> +Indeed. I think that the current policy already tries to enforce that. Those uploads to backports before upload to cooker were mistakes. +I don't think that this media structure would change many things in the way that we packagers work, however. Benefits should be mainly for users. + +Samuel + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#880">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#880">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#880">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#880">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000881.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000881.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d9e1d6ca3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000881.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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I even update them more often. And you would be surprised to see +</I>>><i> that it doesn't create as much problem as you can think, if the sysadmin +</I>>><i> is competent enough. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However many small companies can't pay a competent enough sysadmin. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's why they often choose what seems for them the most simple solution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I certainly don't know which is the best for a distro, but as long as +</I>><i> there will be so much sweat and "fear" about upgrading a distro, there +</I>><i> will be this recurrent discussion. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I know that they have not as much users as mandriva do, and also they +</I>><i> are young, but unity linux started with the idea of a small core with +</I>><i> long term release, and branches that add packages such as desktop, wm, +</I>><i> de etc. that can have a short term release. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just telling that for the discussion, not that this is what to do :) +</I>><i> +</I> +There is also a company, named Novatice, that do something really +interesting, imho. They have created their own distro based on +mandriva, but following their own rythm (depending on their own +products developpement cylce). So, for example Edutice was based on +2007, edutice 2 on 2008, edutice 3 on 2009 and edutice 4 on 2010.1. + +But they have add, in the installation wizard, the possibility (not +the obligation) to automatically create a secondary root partition, +for installing each next version of edutice. So each time a new distro +is released, the n version is installed over the n-2 version, the n-1 +version is kept, and even though the n distro don't work, you can +still use the n-1. + +Of course, it's not a good a solution for computosaurs with 10 GB hard +drive, because you loose ~7 GB, but it can be interesting with big HD +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#882">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#882">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#882">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#882">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000883.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000883.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3d77eee50 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000883.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%20management&In-Reply-To=%3C1286360454.15513.44.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000880.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000891.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%20management&In-Reply-To=%3C1286360454.15513.44.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 12:20:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#883">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#883">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#883">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#883">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 23:06 +0100, Buchan Milne a écrit : +><i> On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:46:45 Samuel Verschelde wrote: +</I> +><i> > Some user communities already did that for 3rd party +</I>><i> > repositories for Mandriva, and having it in a centralized and visible +</I>><i> > place would make backports more visible. How many users know that latest +</I>><i> > versions for wine, wesnoth (one of the best opensource games), vlc, and +</I>><i> > many other packages are already available in backports media for mandriva +</I>><i> > ? Today there is a changelog mailing list, but this is not for everyone. +</I>><i> > This would be more user-centric than packager-centric. I tried to improve +</I>><i> > backports visibility on the Mandriva forum, but without any automation it +</I>><i> > took an enormous amount of time to maintain : +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewforum.php?f=123">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewforum.php?f=123</A> (see threads beginning with +</I>><i> > "New Soft" or "Backport") +</I>><i> +</I>><i> RSS feed or use of twitter by build system may be useful .... +</I> +Youri already have RSS, afaik. +<A HREF="http://www.zarb.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/youri/soft/submit/trunk/lib/Youri/Submit/Step/Action/RSS.pm?revision=2100&view=markup">http://www.zarb.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/youri/soft/submit/trunk/lib/Youri/Submit/Step/Action/RSS.pm?revision=2100&view=markup</A> + +Twitter/statusnet could be easy to add , according to +<A HREF="http://status.net/wiki/Libraries">http://status.net/wiki/Libraries</A> , this would quite trivial + +I even think that a plugin to post on a forum could be done. A little +bit less trivial, but I am ok to work on it, once everything we have is +running. + +><i> > - (the biggest part, but the one with most long term benefits I hope) add +</I>><i> > metadata to media to make urpmi more media-aware. Today, rpmdrake detects +</I>><i> > backports because the backports media have "backports" in their name. +</I>><i> > That's a (useful) hack, but we could do better. One solution could be to +</I>><i> > give metadata to each media : * release vs updates vs backports +</I>><i> > * testing vs stable +</I>><i> > * debug vs non-debug +</I>><i> > Combination of these "tags" would give the following media : +</I>><i> > * main release (just like today's media) +</I>><i> > * main updates +</I>><i> > * main updates testing : for update candidates, this is our current +</I>><i> > "main testing" media * main backports +</I>><i> > * main backports testing : for backports candidates (as someone who +</I>><i> > frequently does backports, I sometimes feel the lack for it) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As long as it doesn't take the focus off the development release. In Mandriva, +</I>><i> I think there were some uploads to backports before the upload to cooker, +</I>><i> which can cause problems for users if not corrected. +</I> +We have solved the problem at PLF by forcing build to appear in cooker +first. It is just a youri plugin. + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#883">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#883">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#883">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#883">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000884.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000884.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40fb6c9fb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000884.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C29c.4cac5697%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000908.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000879.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C29c.4cac5697%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 12:59:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#884">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#884">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#884">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#884">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Wed, 06 October 2010 05:07 +><i> > Are you serious? Upgrading a server every 18 months? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do. I even update them more often. And you would be surprised to see +</I>><i> that it doesn't create as much problem as you can think, if the +</I>><i> sysadmin +</I>><i> is competent enough. +</I> +Well, obviously you have a lot of spare time... + +I guess you have never worked as a sysadmin in a company with thousands of +servers. + +"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a basic sysadmin principle. + +There is a reason why any server OS company offers long support cycles: +because the customers demand it! + +Apart from exceptions like yourself, upgrading servers is the lowest +priority task in any company, it usually gets left until the last minute +when support for a particular version is ending, and even then it's just +seen as a necessary evil not a useful task. + +Maarten Vanraes wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> This is non-sensical; i will never choose Centos for a server, if i was +</I>><i> to +</I>><i> have a bug, where would i go with it??? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't want to have unnecessary risks for my server. +</I> +I think you misunderstood me, I mentioned Centos because we are talking +about Mageia here (which will hardly be used on servers in big companies), +of course any company who can afford it, would use RHEL (or Suse), but +ultimately Centos and RHEL are the same thing, that's what makes Centos so +attractive for people who want stability for servers but don't have the +money for RHEL support contracts. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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In +Mandriva, + >> I think there were some uploads to backports before the upload to +cooker, + >> which can cause problems for users if not corrected. + > + > We have solved the problem at PLF by forcing build to appear in cooker + > first. It is just a youri plugin. + > + + +Yeah, we need to enforce Cauldron first (for one week ?), then backports + +-- +thomas +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#889">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#889">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#889">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#889">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000890.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000890.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cd290d47c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000890.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061406.15649.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000882.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000893.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061406.15649.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 15:06:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#890">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#890">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#890">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#890">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 07:15:15 Raphaël Jadot wrote: +><i> 2010/10/6 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > I do. I even update them more often. And you would be surprised to see +</I>><i> > that it doesn't create as much problem as you can think, if the sysadmin +</I>><i> > is competent enough. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However many small companies can't pay a competent enough sysadmin. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's why they often choose what seems for them the most simple solution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I certainly don't know which is the best for a distro, but as long as +</I>><i> there will be so much sweat and "fear" about upgrading a distro, there +</I>><i> will be this recurrent discussion. +</I> +Without changing anything else, just changing from a "release, with QA'd +updates, and non-QA'd backports-based distribution" to a "rolliing release", +IMHO you are just changing the problem from "fear about upgrading distro" to +"fear about installing or upgrading any package". The risk moves from being a +biannual event with release notes and errata, to a constant event with no fixed +answers. + +If you disagree, run cooker for > 6 months with 'urpmi --auto-update' in +cron.daily. If you never have *any* issues, without any breakage at all, I +might believe you. + +(I have run cooker on my "production desktop" for a number of years, but not +in the past 15 months as I haven't been able to risk breakage due to time +pressure - plus I'm a bit short on bandwidth) + +><i> I know that they have not as much users as mandriva do, and also they +</I>><i> are young, but unity linux started with the idea of a small core with +</I>><i> long term release, and branches that add packages such as desktop, wm, +</I>><i> de etc. that can have a short term release. +</I> +Remember of course that Unity leverages the *existing* (source) packages from +Mandriva. However, I haven't actually used a Unity release, so I am not sure +how well upgrading has worked over a > 1 year period. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#890">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#890">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#890">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#890">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000891.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000891.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..af20881f5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000891.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%20management&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAC6010.4060709%40mandriva.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000883.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000889.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management</H1> + <B>Thomas Backlund</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%20management&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAC6010.4060709%40mandriva.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management">tmb at mandriva.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 13:40:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#891">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#891">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#891">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#891">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer skrev 6.10.2010 13:20: +><i> Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 23:06 +0100, Buchan Milne a écrit : +</I>>><i> As long as it doesn't take the focus off the development release. In Mandriva, +</I>>><i> I think there were some uploads to backports before the upload to cooker, +</I>>><i> which can cause problems for users if not corrected. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We have solved the problem at PLF by forcing build to appear in cooker +</I>><i> first. It is just a youri plugin. +</I>><i> +</I> + +Yeah, we need to enforce Cauldron first (for one week ?), then backports + +-- +thomas +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#891">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#891">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#891">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#891">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000892.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000892.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a3ecf6423 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000892.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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If you never have *any* issues, without any breakage at all, I +</I>><i> might believe you. +</I> +Hell, I did for 10.5 years. +There weren't that much breakage :-) +Cooker is quite a lot usable (a lot more than rawhide) +Of course you've to slap people about occasonial packaging glitch +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#893">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#893">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#893">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#893">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000894.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000894.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7ad01da48 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000894.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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A distro with a selected number of programs updated regular +</I>><i> > >> as their new versions are available. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > That's what backports are for, no need for a "light rolling distro", +</I>><i> > > just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia +</I>><i> > > versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of +</I>><i> > > the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I totally agree with both Juan Luis Baptiste and Buchan Milne. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No rolling release! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This is just a fancy word. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But then, the "goals" of "rolling release" are already accomplished with +</I>><i> > the current Mandriva system, and I hope Mageia will keep this +</I>><i> > functionality: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > backports +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Probably, what needs to happen is to publicize more backports for +</I>><i> > advanced/cutting edge/rolling users instead of changing something that is +</I>><i> > not broken. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Salut, +</I>><i> > Sinner +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's maybe a solution, backports, but let me be less ambiguous about a +</I>><i> > different model. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When a expert group are working in a re-engineering process at any company, +</I>><i> the first wall that they need to broke is: "Oh, but, this is the way in we +</I>><i> work since... ¡and it's works fine for us! +</I> +Sometimes the consultants aren't aware of all the attempts that were made to +fix the issue in the past, and the reasons for their failure, and end up +recommending solutions that are doomed to fail unless other conditions change. + +><i> In the same way the backport method (called different as different distros +</I>><i> are in this world) is the same since... ¡and it works fine for us! +</I> +You didn't reply to my response to your list of favourite applications, which +were, except for Netbeans which is out-of-date in cooker, all provided in +backports. + +So, why did you not use the packages from backports? Was it because the +concept is flawed? Or, is it because backports aren't advertised well enough to +users? + +Let's first understand the problem completely before re-engineering to fix a +problem that doesn't exist ... + +><i> Mageia are trying to be different than other distros (as I understand). +</I>><i> Unfortunately I only have read a lot of answers told me why no (thanks to +</I>><i> all of you), but any of them made any improvement to my idea, as well +</I>><i> there aren't any alternative way. +</I> +First you need to articulate why the current Mandriva method is not working +for you. + +><i> When Mandriva was madded first time, its goal was to be a very user +</I>><i> friendly distro; a Linux for non technical people. But at now there are a +</I>><i> new world with a lot of distros with the same goal. For this reason we +</I>><i> must do our new way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In example: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the same reasons that I have read here, a lot of users never turn on a +</I>><i> backport repository, with hundreds of packages inside it, but maybe if +</I>><i> there is another repository called "top 10" or something like that +</I>><i> (remember I proposed run a poll), these hypothetical users may turn on +</I>><i> that repository. +</I> +This is quite difficult, as different users have different perceptions of what +their top 10 packages are. I don't use netbeans or gambas2 or lazarus or +openshot, and hardly ever use wine. + +For me, the important packages at the moment are: +-xbmc (backported) +-lensfun (backported, by me) +-digikam (backported, by me) +-openldap (backported, usually by me) +-pioneers (backported) +-quassel (backported) +-qtcreator (not backported, but I am using NokiaQtSDK at present) + +><i> Are there countries with a expensive rates or a slow dial-up connections? +</I> +There are many countries where there is insufficient fixed-line infrastructure +for low-cost internet access. In South Africa, although I worked for a Telco, +I could never get DSL (due to cable theft). Mobile broadband was the only +option, starting at R2/MB (approx US$0.30/MB), or maybe R0.20/MB (approx +US$0.03/MB on 2GB/month package). + +ADSL penetration is about 1-2%, cellphone penetration is over 80%, mobile +broadband penetration is about 10%. + +Even on ADSL, many subscribers are on a 2GB (R200, or approx $70 per month) or +3GB/month package (other packages are available, and topup is possible). + +(However, I run a Mandriva mirror which is available after users are capped, +but running Mandriva updates could prevent you from accessing Google, +Facebook, using skype etc.) + +You can find some (outdated, but still useful) statistics on internet access +and pricing here: + +<A HREF="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/int_pri_bas_for_int_us_per_mon-price-basket-">http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/int_pri_bas_for_int_us_per_mon-price-basket-</A> +us-per-month + + +><i> Surely they are more comfortable with Mageia knowing that they don't need +</I>><i> to download a 700 MB each six months (surely more if they need to install +</I>><i> more applications) cause they only need the next version of... +</I> +I download once, and update 5 machines, and often provide media to other users +in SA. + +><i> No other distro has an feature like this, it probably become a better offer +</I>><i> in a very fragmented and competitive world of GNU / Linux distros. +</I> +Hm, you need to explain this "feature" in much more detail, and indicate all +the pros/cons over the Mandriva style. + +><i> I don't want to create any more controversial. I only need one thing of +</I>><i> you: Before answer me why not. Made a question to your self: What if...? +</I> +What if more people actually contributed ... + +/me gets back to working on some Mageia infrastructure. + +Regards, +Buchan + +Maintainer of these packages: +<A HREF="http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=14">http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=14</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#898">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#898">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#898">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#898">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000899.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000899.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e3c9d9b64 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000899.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286381437.15513.217.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000896.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000907.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286381437.15513.217.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 18:10:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#899">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#899">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#899">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#899">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 16:55 +0200, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Well, I don't think we will ever come to an agreement especially as it +</I>><i> seems that former mdv devs here seem to be very reluctant to change +</I>><i> anything about the release cycle. +</I> +Well, the first step to a agreement is to explain clearly your proposal +( you and the others, because there was a lot of diverging opinion and +proposals, hence a lack of communication ). I have asked what should be +explained in this mail. +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101005/000865.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101005/000865.html</A> + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#899">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#899">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#899">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#899">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000900.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000900.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b8a5bfcc8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000900.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061819.59683.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000889.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000869.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061819.59683.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 18:19:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#900">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#900">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#900">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#900">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 12:20:54, Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 23:06 +0100, Buchan Milne a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:46:45 Samuel Verschelde wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > Some user communities already did that for 3rd party +</I>><i> > > repositories for Mandriva, and having it in a centralized and visible +</I>><i> > > place would make backports more visible. How many users know that latest +</I>><i> > > versions for wine, wesnoth (one of the best opensource games), vlc, and +</I>><i> > > many other packages are already available in backports media for mandriva +</I>><i> > > ? Today there is a changelog mailing list, but this is not for everyone. +</I>><i> > > This would be more user-centric than packager-centric. I tried to improve +</I>><i> > > backports visibility on the Mandriva forum, but without any automation it +</I>><i> > > took an enormous amount of time to maintain : +</I>><i> > > <A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewforum.php?f=123">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewforum.php?f=123</A> (see threads beginning with +</I>><i> > > "New Soft" or "Backport") +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > RSS feed or use of twitter by build system may be useful .... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Youri already have RSS, afaik. +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.zarb.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/youri/soft/submit/trunk/lib/Youri/Submit/Step/Action/RSS.pm?revision=2100&view=markup">http://www.zarb.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/youri/soft/submit/trunk/lib/Youri/Submit/Step/Action/RSS.pm?revision=2100&view=markup</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Twitter/statusnet could be easy to add , according to +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://status.net/wiki/Libraries">http://status.net/wiki/Libraries</A> , this would quite trivial +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I even think that a plugin to post on a forum could be done. A little +</I>><i> bit less trivial, but I am ok to work on it, once everything we have is +</I>><i> running. +</I> +There's some part that is manual, that's why I thought some part could be automated, then part of the documentation team (which I would join for this task) would have to : +- explain what changed (and/or copy the changelog from the projects site for version updates) +- add screenshots of the software (it just looks good with screenshots, and you see + +That's why I thought that a dedicated place on the website (must join the webmaster team for that... How many teams will I join ? :p) would be better than the forum, but this is debatable. Another reason is that the website may be translated (update annouces in your own langage is a real plus), whereas I don't think it'll be easy with the forum. + +However, before having the full-featured thing, why not start by automated posts to the forum ! + +Regards + +Samuel + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#900">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#900">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#900">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#900">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000901.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000901.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7a606e127 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000901.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+ +What would convince you to run Mageia on a server (assuming e.g. a 4-5 year +support lifecycle). + +BTW., I know quite a lot of people that run Mandriva on servers ... + +><i> 2) from my experience "urpmi --auto-select" does that anyway, it doesn't +</I>><i> seem to differentiate between updates and backports (unlike drakrpm that +</I>><i> correctly ignores backports when checking for updates) +</I> +Use --update option, or 'urpmi --auto-update'. + +><i> 3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good +</I>><i> judgement and not include major incompatible version changes +</I> +You are aware that this is significantly more work than 'mdvsys submit -t +2010.1 --define section=main/backports $package' (after some minimal testing of +course)? + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Except we first need to be +sure to be able to maintain a single release, so I would report this +project to 1 or 2 years in the future. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#903">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#903">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#903">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#903">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000904.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000904.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..35b3fa4d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000904.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin_ptSJSvphJdS-zRC0tj1Av166vWLMn7nG7ngc%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000903.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000905.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>R James</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin_ptSJSvphJdS-zRC0tj1Av166vWLMn7nG7ngc%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">upsnag2 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 19:10:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#904">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#904">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#904">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#904">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 18:42 +0200, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> So, why not alternate both, 1 release with backports denied but long +</I>>><i> life, and the 2nd with backports and update but during a shorter period. +</I>>><i> (X.0 would be the new distro with backports, X.1 the one more servers +</I>>><i> oriented or enterprise). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, we can do both, ie a long life, and optional backports ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> because alterning may be quite puzzling for people. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would be in favor of some kind of LTS, like Ubuntu. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We cannot have all release with long life, not enough ressources, but +</I>><i> having one from time to time would be good. Except we first need to be +</I>><i> sure to be able to maintain a single release, so I would report this +</I>><i> project to 1 or 2 years in the future. +</I>><i> +</I>What is the typical deployment period for servers? + +At the company where I work, they're leased for 3 years. + +If that's the average, then perhaps 3-year LTS would be sufficient? +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#904">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#904">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#904">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#904">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000905.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000905.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a7fe01df9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000905.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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I help maintain 30-40 Mdv setups that I +volunteer to do on my spare time. They are all mostly up to date, only +about another 10-15 more to update to Mdv2010.1 -- Mageia soon. For most +regular users, a distro upgrade is pretty scary. I usually have to do a +lot of hand holding while we go through it and later over the phone. +They usually, want someone with installation experience nearby. As for +updating packages, in my experience, they will do it quite willingly. +They actually look forward to updating to a new version of their +favourite software -- the regulars seem to be Firefox, Thunderbird, +Digikam (most are using Digikam), Amarok, OpenOffice. + +><i> So a one year release cycle with lots of app backports (and maybe a kernel +</I>><i> backport mid-cycle if there is important new hardware support) is IMHO the +</I>><i> best release cycle for 'normal' users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +I agree with this too. Most of the people I help will actually tell me +to forget about the 2 distro upgrade during the year as it is just too +much for them to worry about. I have moved most of them to a yearly +upgrade and only do it on the spring editions. They tend to be the +bug-fixed versions and lead to fewer phone calls for trouble-shooting. +Even then, some would rather stick with their version over the span of 2 +years. + +BTW, a couple of these people have gone on to downloading ISO and +upgrading themselves (I've made up an installation form for them to help +them out). I have been doing this since Mdv2007. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#907">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#907">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#907">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#907">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000908.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000908.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fd0ac0e54 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000908.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061952.05556.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000912.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000884.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061952.05556.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 19:52:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#908">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#908">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#908">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#908">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op woensdag 06 oktober 2010 16:55:48 schreef Tux99: +><i> Well, I don't think we will ever come to an agreement especially as it +</I>><i> seems that former mdv devs here seem to be very reluctant to change +</I>><i> anything about the release cycle. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally as a future Mageia packager I will try to concentrate on making +</I>><i> backports (apart from maintaining some specific packages) so in a way I +</I>><i> will be helping to make Mageia in practice a sort of 'light' rolling +</I>><i> distro as suggested by a few people in this thread. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But I just want to say that based on my experience spending time since many +</I>><i> years on several Linux forums (not specifically Mandriva ones), I can say +</I>><i> for sure that the majority of 'normal' (non-geeks) users FEAR AND EVEN +</I>><i> HATE distro upgrades, they just want to be able to install new versions of +</I>><i> apps, not risky complete distro upgrades. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So a one year release cycle with lots of app backports (and maybe a kernel +</I>><i> backport mid-cycle if there is important new hardware support) is IMHO the +</I>><i> best release cycle for 'normal' users. +</I> +you are correct, people don't like to upgrade live; they fear it. + +however, i've been upgrading (first by just changing urpmi sources and updating +everything) and later by clicking the upgrade_applet. + +i must say that there used to be some smaller issues which can be solved by +rebooting (which you should do after upgrades anyway, because of kernels); but +lately, i didn't see any troubles with clicking upgrade_applet at all. (and +this for 3years or so...) +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#908">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#908">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#908">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#908">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000909.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000909.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..283d13c06 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000909.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikyn-R6igN4AKXu%3Dsbh9iBvA47NTyLFRnpXr33t%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000907.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000911.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikyn-R6igN4AKXu%3Dsbh9iBvA47NTyLFRnpXr33t%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 19:55:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#909">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#909">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#909">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#909">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>>><i> So a one year release cycle with lots of app backports (and maybe a kernel +</I>>><i> backport mid-cycle if there is important new hardware support) is IMHO the +</I>>><i> best release cycle for 'normal' users. +</I> +Just take a look to Windows XP users. Almost 10 years of bugfixes and +patches almost without any mayor change in the OS. But XP is still on +the road. And it's because you can have the latest software "and" +hardware in your ten years old OS. + +I'm not saying that Mageia should last ten years. But IMHO that "XP +case" is a valid example. + +Cheers! + + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#909">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#909">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#909">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#909">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000910.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000910.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7293f661b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000910.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061421.00225.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000888.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000913.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061421.00225.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 15:21:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#910">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#910">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#910">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#910">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 15:04:57 Tux99 wrote: +><i> Quote: Gustavo Giampaoli wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 16:01 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > In fact, what you need to define is what's the "core" system. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Then you could see "core system" will be updated every X month. +</I>><i> > Example: you decide to update core system every 12 month. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So, "core system 2011" will last 12 month. But during those 12 month +</I>><i> > you provide constantly updates / upgrades for all the rest of the +</I>><i> > software that isn't part to "core". +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And of course, for "core system 2011" updates / bug fix / security +</I>><i> > patches / etc. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > During those 12 month, you can work in "core system 2012". +</I> +What constitutes the "core" ? + +BTW., this was tried in Mandriva before. The idea was to have kernel and +toolchain be common between two different releases of Mandriva. However, it was +abandoned in order to have support for new hardware in the next release .... + +><i> > Here, the "rolling" part is the "non-core" software that is constantly +</I>><i> > updated. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This way "core system" becomes more stable every day during the whole +</I>><i> > year. But without getting older because in every moment you have the +</I>><i> > latest GIMP or Thunderbird available. +</I> +So it is impossible that a new xulrunner can break other apps? Or that a gimp +update requires newer libraries which could potentially require rebuilds of +many other apps (well, this is better than on Fedora, as we have a sane +library policy). + +><i> This is very similar to what I just suggested so I perfectly agree with +</I>><i> you. +</I> +As a package maintainer in Mandriva, one who has submitted a number of +packages to backports, I don't find much of a problem with the current Mandriva +setup. + +Please provide *real* problems with the Mandriva backports setup (besides "my +favourite app is not up-to-date in backports", unless you have filed a bug to +request it and there was no technical obstacle to it). + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#910">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#910">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#910">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#910">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000911.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000911.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4a09a1d86 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000911.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286389884.15513.255.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000909.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000912.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286389884.15513.255.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 20:31:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#911">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#911">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#911">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#911">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 14:55 -0300, Gustavo Giampaoli a écrit : +><i> >> So a one year release cycle with lots of app backports (and maybe a kernel +</I>><i> >> backport mid-cycle if there is important new hardware support) is IMHO the +</I>><i> >> best release cycle for 'normal' users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just take a look to Windows XP users. Almost 10 years of bugfixes and +</I>><i> patches almost without any mayor change in the OS. But XP is still on +</I>><i> the road. And it's because you can have the latest software "and" +</I>><i> hardware in your ten years old OS. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not saying that Mageia should last ten years. But IMHO that "XP +</I>><i> case" is a valid example. +</I> +Sure, when we will have the money of Microsoft, and the team they have +for QA, I am sure we will be able to do it too... + +And of course, when we will also have hardware maker that will provides +drivers. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#911">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#911">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#911">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#911">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000912.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000912.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d036f34c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000912.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACC4D8.5020001%40free.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000911.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000908.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Cassian Braconnnier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACC4D8.5020001%40free.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ptyxs at free.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 20:50:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#912">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#912">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#912">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#912">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 06/10/2010 20:31, Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 14:55 -0300, Gustavo Giampaoli a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>>>><i> So a one year release cycle with lots of app backports (and maybe a kernel +</I>>>>><i> backport mid-cycle if there is important new hardware support) is IMHO the +</I>>>>><i> best release cycle for 'normal' users. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Just take a look to Windows XP users. Almost 10 years of bugfixes and +</I>>><i> patches almost without any mayor change in the OS. But XP is still on +</I>>><i> the road. And it's because you can have the latest software "and" +</I>>><i> hardware in your ten years old OS. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm not saying that Mageia should last ten years. But IMHO that "XP +</I>>><i> case" is a valid example. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Sure, when we will have the money of Microsoft, and the team they have +</I>><i> for QA, I am sure we will be able to do it too... +</I>Precisely for that latter reason a fork was not a good idea, in my +opinion : better fuse, merge, unite with other distros than create new +little projects... +(sorry, I am going out immediately...) + + + + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#912">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#912">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#912">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#912">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000913.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000913.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..893d0a99b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000913.html @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACC6A8.9090308%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000910.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000916.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACC6A8.9090308%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 20:57:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#913">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#913">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#913">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#913">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>>><i> Targeting the school boards makes a lot of sense. +</I>>><i> Note that Openoffice targeted various gov't organisations in France, +</I>>><i> some of which ended up migrating to Mandriva as well. Maybe that could +</I>>><i> work with school boards as well. I'm tempted to try something like that +</I>>><i> with mine, in banlieue of Montréal. +</I>>><i> Just out of curiosity, what is your school board ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For the server, if Mandriva management were a little more reasonable, it +</I>>><i> would be good to partner with them. (I'd like to see something like +</I>>><i> RedHat/Fedora.) +</I>>><i> In any case, you can't go wrong with RedHat. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> André (andre999) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Bonjour André: +</I>Salut Marc : +(sorry for the slow reply, didn't notice it right away) +><i> +</I>><i> As an example, the official word from the Ontario Ministry of +</I>><i> Education is that if users cannot afford the use of MSOffice, that we +</I>><i> are allowed to promote the use of StarOffice. Here is the official +</I>><i> link: <A HREF="http://www.osapac.org/db/view_software.php?id=310">http://www.osapac.org/db/view_software.php?id=310</A> Sun had made +</I>><i> arrangements to provide support through their 1-800 ... telephone +</I>><i> service (unofficially, they had also said that they would have +</I>><i> supported OpenOffice user queries as well, although this policy may +</I>><i> have changed after this policy had been posted on the net). There are +</I>><i> over 2 million students being taught in Ontario where I teach. Quite a +</I>><i> good market to target. You can find the statistics on registered +</I>><i> school student numbers here: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www42.statcan.ca/smr08/2007/smr08_088_2007-eng.htm">http://www42.statcan.ca/smr08/2007/smr08_088_2007-eng.htm</A> +</I>Interesting contract. +I've read of similar approaches in France with OpenOffice or StarOffice, +where they ended up installing (at least some) Mandriva workstations. +><i> +</I>><i> If we were to commit to an "Education based" install (this could be +</I>><i> done at the point of installation where you could tag the type of +</I>><i> distro that you would want installed) with SOLID alternatives for the +</I>><i> most common software packages used in educational institutions, then +</I>><i> we could make a convincing case for the installation of Mageia +</I>><i> desktops in schools. Most governmental agencies today are sensitive to +</I>><i> ways of cutting down on expenses. +</I>Selecting an "Education based" install (which could be used with other +software selections is what I had in mind. +This could be called the "Education software group" (for want of a +better name). +Like that you don't need a special "Education" version, it's the same +DVD for everyone. +Of course, the necessary education software has to be on the DVD. +An excellent way to promote Mageia. +In fact, using a common DVD, students could take a copy home, and +install as well, the "young family" and/or "home office" software +groups. (Which would necessarily overlap to some extent.) +><i> +</I>><i> The only problem that I would see in doing such a promotion is that +</I>><i> this type of usage would require a server/client solution. This is +</I>><i> where the choice of server partnership would become important. RehHat +</I>><i> and Suse are well-known servers options in the business world. We +</I>><i> could then partner up with them and make sure that Mageia/RedHat or +</I>><i> Mageia/Suse solutions are rock solid. Unless we seek a partnership +</I>><i> with MandrivaLinux server, but in North American markets, Mandriva is +</I>><i> really not a force to contend with and is not really known. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>Since we're in Canada, Mageia/RedHat and Mageia/Suse make sense due to +the greater North American presence, but Mandriva server is a major +player in the European and South American markets. +The advantage of using Mandriva server in Canada is English/French in +the education system in every province. +Like I've already said elsewhere, I'd like to see some accommodation +with Mandriva for the commercial/server side. +In any case, we could always offer a choice of servers. RedHat, Suse, +and Mandriva all use compatible RPM packaging. + +André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#913">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#913">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#913">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#913">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000914.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000914.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..73b1be9a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000914.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACC9C4.1030301%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000916.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000918.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACC9C4.1030301%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 21:11:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#914">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#914">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#914">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#914">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-10-03 05:20, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>><i> 2010/10/3 Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Germans are used to not question authorities, so this is not strange. +</I>>>><i> Different country, different mentality, that's why talking abut global +</I>>>><i> PR/marketing strategies makes little sense. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So many global corporations had to learn this the hard way. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Germany is only one example among others. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But I just remember this theory that at the end of the day you can +</I>>><i> apply market strategies worldwide only with small adjustments. That's +</I>>><i> crap. I know somebody in the marketing dep of a large supplier fo baby +</I>>><i> food. They deliver to more than 25 countries in Europe and Middle East +</I>>><i> - you know what? They had to implement 8 totally different marketing +</I>>><i> strategies for those 25 countries becaus of totally different mind +</I>>><i> sets, cultures, religions, family structures, etc. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In general: I do not agree to a specialized marketing strategy with a +</I>>><i> comparatively small target group. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't believe that anyone is talking about having a global strategy +</I>><i> for Mageia. The subject line does say "Identifying Target Markets". I +</I>><i> believe the intent was to focus on some groups where there was a +</I>><i> possibility of expanding the usage of Mageia. Adapting to regional +</I>><i> differences would then make part of the target strategy. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>Exactly. We would hopefully identify at least several target markets. +So far we seem to have at least 2 : "Education" and "young family". +And then we need the help of those from the various regions around the +world to help us penetrate these markets. +So far in simplified terms, for the "education" target, we have focus on +school boards in US/Canada and Australia/New Zealand; focus on regional +gov'ts in Germany. + +Think we're making progress, everyone :) + +- André (andre999) + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#914">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#914">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#914">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#914">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000915.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000915.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..86573b2da --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000915.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061913.o96JDUOU031046%40smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000906.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000887.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Dick Gevers</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061913.o96JDUOU031046%40smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">dvgevers at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 21:13:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#915">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#915">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#915">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#915">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:02:59 +0200, Eatdirt wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] +How will be the realese cycle?: + +><i>If all pro around are against this, I think we should at least be able +</I>><i>to upgrade a version directly from urpmi without the boot iso CD story! +</I> +I do that every year or so with my @home non-production server, amongst +others because it doesn't want to read any cd's. Problems are very rare +with this cycle: I merely upgrade when I have had a power failure or +similar ;) + +Ciao, +=Dick Gevers= +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#915">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#915">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#915">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#915">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000916.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000916.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cfda0b123 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000916.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8ii84%244er%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000913.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000914.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8ii84%244er%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 21:21:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#916">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#916">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#916">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#916">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +><i> Selecting an "Education based" install (which could be used with other +</I>><i> software selections is what I had in mind. +</I>><i> This could be called the "Education software group" (for want of a +</I>><i> better name). +</I>><i> Like that you don't need a special "Education" version, it's the same +</I>><i> DVD for everyone. +</I>><i> Of course, the necessary education software has to be on the DVD. +</I>><i> An excellent way to promote Mageia. +</I>><i> In fact, using a common DVD, students could take a copy home, and +</I>><i> install as well, the "young family" and/or "home office" software +</I>><i> groups. (Which would necessarily overlap to some extent.) +</I> +That would work nicely. There is really no need for separate CD's seeing +that many of the software packages would be complementary from one type +of install to the next. + +>><i> +</I>>><i> The only problem that I would see in doing such a promotion is that +</I>>><i> this type of usage would require a server/client solution. This is +</I>>><i> where the choice of server partnership would become important. RehHat +</I>>><i> and Suse are well-known servers options in the business world. We +</I>>><i> could then partner up with them and make sure that Mageia/RedHat or +</I>>><i> Mageia/Suse solutions are rock solid. Unless we seek a partnership +</I>>><i> with MandrivaLinux server, but in North American markets, Mandriva is +</I>>><i> really not a force to contend with and is not really known. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>><i> Since we're in Canada, Mageia/RedHat and Mageia/Suse make sense due to +</I>><i> the greater North American presence, but Mandriva server is a major +</I>><i> player in the European and South American markets. +</I>><i> The advantage of using Mandriva server in Canada is English/French in +</I>><i> the education system in every province. +</I>><i> Like I've already said elsewhere, I'd like to see some accommodation +</I>><i> with Mandriva for the commercial/server side. +</I>><i> In any case, we could always offer a choice of servers. RedHat, Suse, +</I>><i> and Mandriva all use compatible RPM packaging. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, so I guess if there were different options of installations it +would be a good start. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#916">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#916">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#916">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#916">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000917.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000917.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..93e0ce1a6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000917.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20new%20office%20suite%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACD27E.3090605%40arcor.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000922.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000919.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?</H1> + <B>Florian Hubold</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20new%20office%20suite%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACD27E.3090605%40arcor.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?">doktor5000 at arcor.de + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 21:48:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#917">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#917">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#917">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#917">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> Am 29.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Ahmad Samir: +><i> On 29 September 2010 21:57, Michael Scherer<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 05:42:48 André Salaün wrote: +</I>>>>><i> OpenOffice or LibreOffice for Mageia ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> we can have both packages :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Nooo! unless you want the guy maintaining the go-oo/libreoffice +</I>><i> packages to commit suicide :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (Imagine having two bears running loose :)). +</I>@misc: +If you have ever tried to rebuild/package the whole OOo, then you wouldn't +put that out so lightly. Ahmad really has a point there. Full OOo takes up to 24 +hours building time and space requirements are in the region of 20-35 GB IIRC +on a desktop machine. + +So definitely every OfficeSuite should have at least a small team of maintainers, +at least thats my opinion, from having helped Ghiuseppe Ghibo ironing out +some packaging/compiling quirks, that was back with OOo 2.2/3/4. +I think it didn't get much slimmer since then. + +BTW, i'm all for LibreOffice! + +Regards + +Florian Hubold +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#917">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#917">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#917">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#917">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000918.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000918.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..216547d11 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000918.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinXb5kLm0oNeR0y%2BsTNxnm%2B%3DBdasJPAAbnj8Dj7%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000914.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000922.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Hoyt Duff</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinXb5kLm0oNeR0y%2BsTNxnm%2B%3DBdasJPAAbnj8Dj7%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">hoytduff at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 21:58:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#918">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#918">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#918">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#918">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:11 PM, andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> So far in simplified terms, for the "education" target, we have focus on +</I>><i> school boards in US/Canada and Australia/New Zealand; focus on regional +</I>><i> gov'ts in Germany. +</I>><i> +</I>Do you have a link to any Mandriva docs that detail how the package +lists for different "targets" can be created and implemented? + + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#918">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#918">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#918">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#918">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000919.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000919.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fe34b8633 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000919.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACD80D.5070008%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000917.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000920.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACD80D.5070008%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 22:11:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? 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Also +</I>>><i> it's not useful all over, I think I can do without it if I have +</I>>><i> noscript installed, (now what would you say if noscript is installed +</I>>><i> by default?). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> IMHO, I think no extra extensions should be installed by default, the +</I>>><i> user should make a choice of which ones he wants (and installing any +</I>>><i> extensions by default without the "user's consent" isn't ideal too, if +</I>>><i> it's going to impact the performance of Firefox). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree, I think the user should be in charge of the extensions. How +</I>><i> many of us have heard people say that "Hey, I never installed the +</I>><i> Yahoo! bar!" or "Hey, I never installed Safari!". Users are +</I>><i> knowledgeable enough to make up their own mind on extensions. Browser +</I>><i> use is generally a user specific preference. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If Mageia is going to focus more on being a good KDE distro, then it +</I>><i> should go along with the defaults with KDE -- Kmail/Konqueror. But, if +</I>><i> Mageia is to decide on a "flagship" choice of browser, I think that +</I>><i> most computer users these days know of Firefox and this would be a +</I>><i> good/safe choice to use as a Mageia endorsed/default browser, but +</I>><i> without any extensions pre-installed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The user can tailor his preferences later on depending on his/her +</I>><i> browser choice. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>Personally I use Gnome, so I would rather that Mageia would not become +too KDE-centric. (Actually I use Mozilla Seamonkey instead of Mozilla +Firefox, but that is another question.) +If Kmail/Konqueror is installed by default, then the enormous KDE +libraries must be installed, all of which I (or any other Gnome user) +will have to remove. +If there is a default browser installed, is much better if it is +KDE/Gnome agnostic, like Firefox. +(i.e. does not require either KDE or Gnome.) + +As far as extensions go, I agree to leave that to the user. With +Mozilla (Firefox or Thunderbird or Seamonkey), any extension can be +installed from inside the program, with a few clics. Even saves making +any RPMs for the extensions. +(I would make localisation extensions an exception.) + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#919">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#919">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#919">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#919">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000920.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000920.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1868bfeff --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000920.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACD811.5010800%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000919.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000921.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACD811.5010800%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 22:12:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#920">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#920">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#920">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#920">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/3 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Le 2010-10-03 05:10, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Who said we do have an education problem? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I am not sure, I certainly did not say that there was a problem. You seem to +</I>>><i> be comfortable enough with it, and I don't have a problem with that. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> LOL! No, I'm not comfortable with that! That sentencs was a poor +</I>><i> attempt on being sarcastic! +</I>><i> We DO have an education system problem, there is a drifference in +</I>><i> education based on which state of Germany you went to school, there +</I>><i> are students and parents demonstrating on the streets, there is a +</I>><i> growing number of private schools (which were very rare in Germany +</I>><i> only 20 years ago), only open for parents with money, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> OMG, I get carried away on this topic.... +</I>><i> +</I>That's good. Shows that you're mind is alive ! +Maybe they just need a good dose of Mageia ;) + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#920">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#920">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#920">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#920">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000921.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000921.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d837111d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000921.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinv1nQv%2BUXLjyBQxcs2r0DV3zBJUDgA0OfCZD8c%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000920.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>vfmBOFH</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinv1nQv%2BUXLjyBQxcs2r0DV3zBJUDgA0OfCZD8c%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">vfmbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 23:10:20 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#921">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#921">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#921">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#921">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 atilla ontas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>> + +><i> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every +</I>><i> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>><i> make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +</I>><i> be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>><i> systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +</I>><i> year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +</I>><i> space waste. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> code names. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>><i> +</I> +Hi all. + +At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's community what +kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active until the +weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about community +preferences. + +We must keep on mind we're creating a user-oriented distro, so we must be +stay in touch about their preferences. + +Cheers +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101006/85532959/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#921">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#921">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#921">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#921">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000922.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000922.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d8c2a72a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/000922.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACE9B8.8010404%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000918.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000917.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CACE9B8.8010404%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 6 23:27:20 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#922">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#922">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#922">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#922">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hoyt Duff a écrit : +><i> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:11 PM, andré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> So far in simplified terms, for the "education" target, we have focus on +</I>>><i> school boards in US/Canada and Australia/New Zealand; focus on regional +</I>>><i> gov'ts in Germany. +</I>>><i> +</I>Here I mean focus in terms of promotion, not in terms of the content of +the DVD. +><i> Do you have a link to any Mandriva docs that detail how the package +</I>><i> lists for different "targets" can be created and implemented? +</I>><i> +</I>In short, it would be part of creating the installation DVD. + +Mandriva does not implement this function in a manner useful to our +purposes. +Let me explain. + +There would be a number of install groups, (for want of a better +expression), all on the same DVD. +Each group will have a list of packages to be installed, which could be +individually selected/deselected as desired. +This is similar to what is already available on a Mandriva install DVD, +with an important difference : install groups would not be mutually +exclusive. + +In other words, the "education" group (targeting school needs), the +"young family" group (targeting families with young children), and the +"home office" group, would probably all contain, for example, a version +of OpenOffice (be it Go-oo, LibreOffice, or the officiel OpenOffice from +Oracle/Sun). +Currently, on a Mandriva installation DVD, each application is in only +one group.("Server" being one of their groups.) + +Overlapping installation groups allows us to target many uses on the +same DVD. +We could consider a target as a usage focus. +Many users would have more than one focus -- for example, developers +would want various development tools, as well as maybe "home office" if +they are an independant consultant. +There also could be a multi-level tree. A global group for developers, +with a sub-group for packagers (RPM tools), another for C/C++, another +for Perl, etc. +Or for a potentially more common theme, a global group for education, +with sub-groups for "pre-school/kindergarten", "elementary", +"secondary", "post-secondary". +And these various subgroups would almost necessarily have overlaps. +The possibilities are only limited by our collective imaginations. + +The more I think of this, I see an advantage of allowing the DVD +installer to access an external group file, (on a usb memory key for +example), for more flexibility on installation. +Especially useful to install the same software selection on a large +number of computers -- without creating a custom installation DVD. + +Think of the potential :) + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? 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+</A><A NAME="897"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="878"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="875"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="883"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="899"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="903"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="911"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="902"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="905"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="870"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="872"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="884"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="894"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="879"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="908"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="880"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="900"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="893"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="913"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="914"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="919"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="920"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="922"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="921"> </A> +<I>vfmBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="869"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="871"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 6 23:27:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 23:28:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6eeb99a52 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,317 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 6 October 2010 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>6 October 2010 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 00:06:41 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 23:27:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 54<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="876"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="869"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="870"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="871"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="872"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="873"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="874"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="875"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="877"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="878"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="879"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="880"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="881"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="882"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="883"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="884"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="885"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="887"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="886"> </A> +<I>Sandro Cazzaniga +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="891"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="888"> </A> +<I>Sandro Cazzaniga +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="889"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="897"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="890"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="892"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="910"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="898"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="893"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="894"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="895"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="896"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="901"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="899"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="900"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="902"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="903"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="904"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="905"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="906"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="907"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="908"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="909"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="911"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="912"> </A> +<I>Cassian Braconnnier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="913"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="914"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="915"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="916"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="917"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="918"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="919"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="920"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="921"> </A> +<I>vfmBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="922"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 6 23:27:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 23:28:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101006/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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23:27:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 54<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="917"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="869"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="870"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="871"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="872"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="873"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="874"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="875"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="877"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="878"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="879"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="881"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="882"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="884"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="885"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="887"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="886"> </A> +<I>Sandro Cazzaniga +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="888"> </A> +<I>Sandro Cazzaniga +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="897"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="890"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="892"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="910"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="898"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="893"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="894"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="895"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="896"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="901"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="899"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="902"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="903"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="904"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="905"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="906"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="907"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="908"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="909"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="911"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="912"> </A> +<I>Cassian Braconnnier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="915"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="921"> </A> +<I>vfmBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="913"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="914"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="916"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="918"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="920"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="922"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="919"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="876"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="880"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="900"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="883"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="891"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="889"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 6 23:27:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 23:28:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a 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href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 00:06:41 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 23:27:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 54<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01286316401- --> +<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="876"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286316401-01286351077- --> +<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="880"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<!--1 01286316401-01286360454- --> +<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="883"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286316401-01286360454-01286365200- --> +<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="891"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<!--2 01286316401-01286360454-01286366429- --> +<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="889"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<!--2 01286316401-01286360454-01286381999- --> +<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="900"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286317593- --> +<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="869"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286317593-01286318349- --> +<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="870"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845- --> +<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="871"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079- --> +<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="872"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426- --> +<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="875"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715- --> +<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="877"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286354993- --> +<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="882"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375- --> +<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="890"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195- --> +<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="893"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195-01286376948- --> +<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="894"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195-01286376948-01286377611- --> +<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="896"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195-01286376948-01286381437- --> +<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="899"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195-01286376948-01286386925- --> +<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="907"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195-01286376948-01286386925-01286387706- --> +<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="909"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195-01286376948-01286386925-01286387706-01286389884- --> +<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="911"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195-01286376948-01286386925-01286387706-01286389884-01286391000- --> +<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="912"> </A> +<I>Cassian Braconnnier +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286345715-01286370375-01286375195-01286376948-01286387525- --> +<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="908"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286334426-01286362777- --> +<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="884"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286346324- --> +<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="879"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286346324-01286351347- --> +<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="881"> </A> +<I>Raphaël Jadot +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286319845-01286321079-01286346324-01286351347-01286367128- --> +<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="897"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286317593-01286318349-01286378049- --> +<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="901"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286378049-01286383379- --> +<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="902"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286378049-01286383379-01286383758- --> +<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="903"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286378049-01286383379-01286383758-01286385048- --> +<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="904"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<!--3 01286317593-01286318349-01286378049-01286383379-01286383758-01286385048-01286386154- --> +<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="905"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286332744- --> +<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="873"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286332744-01286375113- --> +<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="898"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286334137- --> +<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="874"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286334137-01286345983- --> +<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="878"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286364782- --> +<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="885"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286364782-01286364957- --> +<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="886"> </A> +<I>Sandro Cazzaniga +</I> + +<!--1 01286364782-01286370576- --> +<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="892"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286364782-01286370576-01286377379- --> +<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="895"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286364782-01286370576-01286377379-01286386296- --> +<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="906"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<!--3 01286364782-01286370576-01286377379-01286392423- --> +<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="915"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286364945- --> +<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="887"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286364945-01286365819- --> +<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="888"> </A> +<I>Sandro Cazzaniga +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286371260- --> +<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="910"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--0 01286391464- --> +<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="913"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286391464-01286392899- --> +<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="916"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286392260- --> +<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="914"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286392260-01286395113- --> +<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="918"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286392260-01286395113-01286400440- --> +<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="922"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286394494- --> +<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="917"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<!--0 01286395917- --> +<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="919"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--0 01286395921- --> +<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="920"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--0 01286399420- --> +<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="921"> </A> +<I>vfmBOFH +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Wed Oct 6 23:27:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 23:28:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |