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A distro with a selected number of programs updated regular +</I>><i> > >> as their new versions are available. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > That's what backports are for, no need for a "light rolling distro", +</I>><i> > > just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia +</I>><i> > > versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of +</I>><i> > > the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I totally agree with both Juan Luis Baptiste and Buchan Milne. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No rolling release! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This is just a fancy word. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But then, the "goals" of "rolling release" are already accomplished with +</I>><i> > the current Mandriva system, and I hope Mageia will keep this +</I>><i> > functionality: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > backports +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Probably, what needs to happen is to publicize more backports for +</I>><i> > advanced/cutting edge/rolling users instead of changing something that is +</I>><i> > not broken. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Salut, +</I>><i> > Sinner +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's maybe a solution, backports, but let me be less ambiguous about a +</I>><i> > different model. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When a expert group are working in a re-engineering process at any company, +</I>><i> the first wall that they need to broke is: "Oh, but, this is the way in we +</I>><i> work since... ¡and it's works fine for us! +</I> +Sometimes the consultants aren't aware of all the attempts that were made to +fix the issue in the past, and the reasons for their failure, and end up +recommending solutions that are doomed to fail unless other conditions change. + +><i> In the same way the backport method (called different as different distros +</I>><i> are in this world) is the same since... ¡and it works fine for us! +</I> +You didn't reply to my response to your list of favourite applications, which +were, except for Netbeans which is out-of-date in cooker, all provided in +backports. + +So, why did you not use the packages from backports? Was it because the +concept is flawed? Or, is it because backports aren't advertised well enough to +users? + +Let's first understand the problem completely before re-engineering to fix a +problem that doesn't exist ... + +><i> Mageia are trying to be different than other distros (as I understand). +</I>><i> Unfortunately I only have read a lot of answers told me why no (thanks to +</I>><i> all of you), but any of them made any improvement to my idea, as well +</I>><i> there aren't any alternative way. +</I> +First you need to articulate why the current Mandriva method is not working +for you. + +><i> When Mandriva was madded first time, its goal was to be a very user +</I>><i> friendly distro; a Linux for non technical people. But at now there are a +</I>><i> new world with a lot of distros with the same goal. For this reason we +</I>><i> must do our new way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In example: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the same reasons that I have read here, a lot of users never turn on a +</I>><i> backport repository, with hundreds of packages inside it, but maybe if +</I>><i> there is another repository called "top 10" or something like that +</I>><i> (remember I proposed run a poll), these hypothetical users may turn on +</I>><i> that repository. +</I> +This is quite difficult, as different users have different perceptions of what +their top 10 packages are. I don't use netbeans or gambas2 or lazarus or +openshot, and hardly ever use wine. + +For me, the important packages at the moment are: +-xbmc (backported) +-lensfun (backported, by me) +-digikam (backported, by me) +-openldap (backported, usually by me) +-pioneers (backported) +-quassel (backported) +-qtcreator (not backported, but I am using NokiaQtSDK at present) + +><i> Are there countries with a expensive rates or a slow dial-up connections? +</I> +There are many countries where there is insufficient fixed-line infrastructure +for low-cost internet access. In South Africa, although I worked for a Telco, +I could never get DSL (due to cable theft). Mobile broadband was the only +option, starting at R2/MB (approx US$0.30/MB), or maybe R0.20/MB (approx +US$0.03/MB on 2GB/month package). + +ADSL penetration is about 1-2%, cellphone penetration is over 80%, mobile +broadband penetration is about 10%. + +Even on ADSL, many subscribers are on a 2GB (R200, or approx $70 per month) or +3GB/month package (other packages are available, and topup is possible). + +(However, I run a Mandriva mirror which is available after users are capped, +but running Mandriva updates could prevent you from accessing Google, +Facebook, using skype etc.) + +You can find some (outdated, but still useful) statistics on internet access +and pricing here: + +<A HREF="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/int_pri_bas_for_int_us_per_mon-price-basket-">http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/int_pri_bas_for_int_us_per_mon-price-basket-</A> +us-per-month + + +><i> Surely they are more comfortable with Mageia knowing that they don't need +</I>><i> to download a 700 MB each six months (surely more if they need to install +</I>><i> more applications) cause they only need the next version of... +</I> +I download once, and update 5 machines, and often provide media to other users +in SA. + +><i> No other distro has an feature like this, it probably become a better offer +</I>><i> in a very fragmented and competitive world of GNU / Linux distros. +</I> +Hm, you need to explain this "feature" in much more detail, and indicate all +the pros/cons over the Mandriva style. + +><i> I don't want to create any more controversial. I only need one thing of +</I>><i> you: Before answer me why not. Made a question to your self: What if...? +</I> +What if more people actually contributed ... + +/me gets back to working on some Mageia infrastructure. + +Regards, +Buchan + +Maintainer of these packages: +<A HREF="http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=14">http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=14</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#898">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#898">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#898">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#898">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |