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A commercial distribution requires money ( and +</I>><i> therefore users that can bring money , either directly, or either +</I>><i> indirectly ( service, ads, etc )) to survive. We are not a commercial +</I>><i> distribution, so the pressure is lower with regard to money. But we +</I>><i> still to have people that develop it, and if we cannot pay people for +</I>><i> that directly ( since we are not a company, even if maybe some companies +</I>><i> will help us later ), we need to directly use contributions as a way to +</I>><i> ensure our own sustainability. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering +</I>><i> contributions should be one of our goals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The second point is that we are here because we want community +</I>><i> empowerment. So community also must be a strong point, especially since +</I>><i> it will appeal to people that would allow the community to survive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So again, I think that empowerment should be another one of the goals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, we must ask ourself "what is pushing people to contribute". +</I>><i> There is various papers, like this one +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033">http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ( I let the analysis as a exercise for the moment ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And we need to find a way to combine this with others goals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> While a traditional motivation in free software is to solve our own +</I>><i> problem ( and that's also part of community empowerment ), this is not +</I>><i> enough. We also need to think to more than us. And I think that's the +</I>><i> complex part. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We have 2 choices. Either we try to find a market where no one went, or +</I>><i> a market where someone went, and try to be better. Or maybe both. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree. +</I> +One way towards that goal is something I thought about since some years : +lessen the divide between the GUI and CLI approach to computers, and OS's in +particular. And thus between the 'user' and the 'geek' cultures (even if +geeks are users too). + +In particular : that the GUI tools, for example the GUI draktools, provide a +link (button) to a short explanation of how they do what they do. For +example : what are the configuration files that are changed, and how. + +It could be seen as an extension of what is possible with an icon of the +Panel : a right-click gets you to see what it does : the command is visible. + +When I was teaching an introduction to OS's, I used Mandr/ake/iva this way +for +people mainly familiar with Windows : the GUI functions are similar, even if +different, but you can have a 'readable text' access to what really happens. + +At first I just told them which configuration files where concerned. Later I +wrote some simple perl scripts using fileschanged ( +<A HREF="http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/">http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/</A>) +to let them find it themselves. But there were many limitations : for +instance KDE configurations are not writen to file directly. + +Anyway it would be much more helpful if it is incorporated in the GUI tool +itself (eventually as an option). +It would encourage progressive exploration of the underlying workings. +For anybody, but evidently exploratory behavior is more prevalent in younger +people. + +Viewed with some optimism, if this approach is extended, it could lead to an +experience similar to that of people who came to programming through contact +with the early 8 bit microcomputers. (Many people lament the disapearence of +that path of access). + +><i>From the 'magic' point of view it would point to : Magea : the School of +</I>Magic + +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101001/efccb7f2/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |