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I found +</I>><i> it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a +</I>><i> serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have +</I>><i> no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow +</I>><i> this unfortunate situation to found a sensible solution in the future. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools, +</I>><i> however Mandriva tools have some issues : +</I>><i> - they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think +</I>><i> that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages. +</I>><i> However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the +</I>><i> Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could +</I>><i> help a little. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except +</I>><i> PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external +</I>><i> contributions : They notably lack visibility. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an +</I>><i> efficient way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here aree my proposals, feel free to discuss : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease +</I>><i> fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to +</I>><i> have a Mandriva account ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2. Make some decisions about the tools we should keep, and the ones we +</I>><i> should ... trash. For example we did replace printerdrake with +</I>><i> system-config-printer ( python ), and msec have been rewritten ( +</I>><i> python ). Whereas I do think that system-config-printer is way buggier +</I>><i> than printerdrake, I guess that at some points, we will have to do +</I>><i> this more and more : replace some Mandriva tools with for example some +</I>><i> Fedora ones. Please note however that this bring its own issues : +</I>><i> python vs perl, and the integration with the rest of Mandriva +</I>><i> infrastructure +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4. Whereas I do love rpmdrake, I do think also that something will +</I>><i> have to be done about it as its UI is clearly outdated and not on par +</I>><i> with the competition : +</I>><i> - Ubuntu software center : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/">http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/</A> +</I>><i> , <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center</A> , +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter</A> +</I>><i> - iTunes App Store : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html">http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html</A> +</I>><i> , <A HREF="http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/">http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/</A> +</I>><i> - Interesting discussion about PackageKit direction : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So we may have to completely rewrite rpmdrake UI or switch to +</I>><i> packagekit with and urpmi backend. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the +</I>><i> LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to +</I>><i> contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to +</I>><i> improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could +</I>><i> be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Last but not least, I know that on Mageia ML, there was a discussion +</I>><i> about the people we should target. Here are some interesting +</I>><i> reflexions : +</I>><i> Sweet Caroline : <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/</A> +</I>><i> fedoraproject.org redesign update : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/</A> +</I>><i> You must be this tall to ride: __ : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-__/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-__/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks for your observations Fabrice. + +Just speaking from the "user" point of view. Let us not lose sight that +one of the strong points of Mandriva/Mageia is the use of the MCC. +Having all the controls under one title and well integrated is what +really distinguishes Mandriva from the other distros. Practically in all +of the news items that I have read of Mandriva, they mention the +powerful tools at the users' disposal to help in configure/maintain the +Mandriva distro, and this type of comment has been going on for years. + +I hope that Mageia would not stray from this tool. Whichever way the +devs decide to programme the tools from the back-en does not matter to +the user. How easily it is to configure/maintain the distro is what +counts to the user and it is quite a strong selling point. + +When I help out people with their Mandriva setup and I tell them to go +to their MCC (if they are not familiar with it, I usually say "You know, +the blue sceen and red wrench thingy at the bottom of your monitor.", +they are confortable in using it. + +The only thing that I find lacking for the MCC is the lack of immediate +help. If a user has never used a section of MCC, they will normally +abandon the use of that section. But if there were a help button that +would explain, in a graphic way (either video or by slide show) the use +of that section, then that would go a long way in helping out. + +I sincerely hope that the MCC (Mageia Contol Centre) will not be abandoned. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#579">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#579">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#579">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#579">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |