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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] So?</H1>
+ <B>Lucien-Henry Horvath</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] So?">tempo2 at marneau.eu
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+ <I>Tue Sep 28 21:08:34 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>EN (lecteurs fran&#231;ais, je vous conseille de lire ci-dessous)
+
+Okay, - What is the governance of this project ?
+
+I believe that the old worker of Mandriva are the most activs. But it is
+not very false when person like Mahteus (or me), are feeling a problem.
+
+I don't doubt that the governance of the project is not null ... But we,
+others of &quot;who maintain the list&quot;, we don't see anything.
+
+Who is actually the captain, or most contributers ?
+Who is the team who decide the rules like : to put TXT format and not
+HTML format in the mail of the list ? Or to speak only in english ? Or
+to do only RPM and not DEB ? This 3 late days, I have only seen this
+kind of movement.
+
+So, I think I (and a lot of others) will take more confidence in this
+project if certain person said what they do.
+
+We have a wiki for write what each can do. But we have nothing for
+&quot;institute&quot; what will be done, when, and who do what ?
+
+
+Just a first question : when and where will be done the first meeting of
+the foundation in France ? I want participate, I will take a day of
+holidays in my company for the creation and write of the statuts of this
+foundation. But, it seems that someone is back the decision, and now,
+actually, I don't see who (or which group).
+
+
+Mageia will not survive if you make the sames mistake of the last
+managers of Mandriva. For me it was : decision in dark and no visibility
+to the community.
+This community is not only maked from hard-coders for fun ... but also
+people not exclusively technicians but can bring a lot to a community
+(which I also learned to make ABAP / java / Ada95 10 years ago, but now,
+I am no more exactly in this job ... and can give a little part of me).
+
+
+
+FR (the french version is better, but sorry I not absolutely sure of my
+english - up)
+
+
+Bon. Quelle est la gouvernance de ce projet ?
+
+Je crois que les anciens de Mandriva sont les plus actifs que tous au
+sein de ces mailing-lists. Mais je rejoins Matheus quand il affirme
+qu'il y a un probl&#232;me.
+
+Je ne doute pas que la gouvernance du projet n'est pas inexistante ...
+Mais nous autres qui ne sommes pas les porteurs de la liste, nous ne
+voyons rien.
+
+Qui est en r&#233;alit&#233; le capitaine du navire, ou quels sont les
+contributeurs principaux?
+Par exemple : Qui est l'&#233;quipe qui d&#233;cide des r&#232;gles telles : mettre en
+format TXT et non en format HTML dans la mailing-list? Ou de ne parler
+qu'en anglais ? Ou de ne faire que des RPM et pas des DEB ? Ces derniers
+3 jours, je n'ai vu que ce genre de mouvement dans les envois.
+
+Donc, je crois (et beaucoup d'autres que moi aussi, je le sent) que
+j'aurais bien plus confiance dans ce projet si certaines personnes
+disaient ce qu'elles font et ce qu'elles ont en t&#234;te.
+
+Nous avons un wiki pour &#233;crire ce que chacun peut faire. Mais nous
+n'avons rien pour &quot;instituer&quot; ce qui sera fait, quand, et qui devra
+faire quoi ?
+
+Juste une premi&#232;re question: O&#249; et quand se fera la premi&#232;re r&#233;union de
+l'association en France ? Je veux bien participer, je vais prendre une
+journ&#233;e de cong&#233;s/RTT dans mon entreprise pour la cr&#233;ation et participer
+&#224; &#233;crire des statuts de cette fondation. Mais, il semble que quelqu'un
+est d&#233;j&#224; en train de tout verrouiller et de prendre les d&#233;cisions en
+fait, je ne vois pas encore qui (ou quel groupe).
+
+Mageia ne survivra pas si vous faites la m&#234;me erreur des derniers
+gestionnaires de Mandriva. Cette erreur &#233;tait de tout d&#233;cider dans
+l'ombre sans donner une visibilit&#233; &#224; la communaut&#233;. La dite communaut&#233;
+qui n'est pas uniquement con&#231;ue de pisseurs de code l&#224; pour se faire
+plaisir ... mais aussi de gens qui sans &#234;tre pour antant des techniciens
+peuvent apporter &#224; une communaut&#233; (quoi que j'ai aussi appris &#224; faire de
+l'ABAP / java / Ada95 il y a 10 ans).
+
+
+&gt;<i> To be precise, some people are actively working on getting a place in
+</I>&gt;<i> datacenter, and some servers. Then we will have to rack them, install
+</I>&gt;<i> them, then setup ldap, and svn and git, and build nodes, and job
+</I>&gt;<i> dispatcher, take care of bugzilla, mirrors, various web application
+</I>&gt;<i> ( like the one who manage the maintainers ), likely forums and wiki,
+</I>&gt;<i> some infrastructure for translaters, create the association, some
+</I>&gt;<i> mailling lists and setup a organisation ( ie, who do what for marketing,
+</I>&gt;<i> communication, translation, qa, testing, and using what ressources ),
+</I>&gt;<i> try to have more server, do some test of iso creation, and ots of
+</I>&gt;<i> various thing that I left.
+</I></PRE>
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