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And when +</I>><i> soemone try +</I>><i> such kind of attempts in the real world with your distro, will +</I>><i> be very +</I>><i> disappointed of failures. That's why I in some way asked a survey of +</I>><i> oldest hardware based on own experiences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You still miss the point that in Mageia community there are many +</I>><i> users that find 30-50e a _lot_ of money, and we dont want to shut +</I>><i> them out. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not decreasing the value of the money, but rather I was pointing out +</I>><i> the false assumption that mageia (or the current inherited mandriva) +</I>><i> would work and would work FINE (or at all) on that hardware just because +</I>><i> it was using a compatible instruction set. +</I> +Well, it depends of what you consider "FINE". +I dont expect people using old hardware to try to get KDE or any 3d +stuff to work "FINE". + +But we have lightweight platforms such as lxde and xfce that both works +moderate/fast on a 200MHz+ platform with 128MB+ RAM. + +Then if you want it as a server, its even easier... you dont even need a +DE/GUI, as it's manageable through console/shell. + + +><i> I'm not against this, but if +</I>><i> that we wanna support that kind of hardware there is MUCH MORE work to +</I>><i> do (I suggested a LEGACY section in the wiki, but seems it wasn't +</I>><i> caught) than just keeping the actual flags, because in that way if we +</I>><i> don't change then nobody will complain. Even the simple lzma payload of +</I>><i> rpm packages requires much more memory than in the past with gzip. I'm +</I>><i> not sure with current squashfs for the initial ram disks. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I already cited there are other distro which maybe do a lot better this +</I>><i> job. In many countries there isn't even the broadband, dialup, nor the +</I>><i> electrical power for them. Right now you are almost assuming that a 10 +</I>><i> years old instruction set is still a no go, and that our distro is +</I>><i> optimized like the one of the One Laptop Per Child Project. +</I> +I know we dont optimize for OLPC. + +Yes, the instruction set is old, but there are many systems that are +older. and even if the hw is newer, it still does not enforce full i686 +spec, as seen for example with either missing CMOV or another broken +register. Even Intel got it wrong with some series of the Pentium D wich +didn't work with i686 series builds... + + +><i> Sadly it +</I>><i> isn't. But there is also a 2nd point: on old hardware it is still +</I>><i> possible to run old software and old distros: strange but true. Such old +</I>><i> software is still doing its dirty job. It's not that you get a trojan as +</I>><i> soon as you put the nose out the net. There are still ways of +</I>><i> configuring a distro on a LAN and trust in the people using the +</I>><i> terminals locally. Many schools still use them. In a 2 hours lesson at +</I>><i> school you can't wait half an our just to have your desktop booting..., +</I> +It does not take half an hour if you use xfce/lxde. + +><i> the same if you plan an antispam server with latest antispam tools on a +</I>><i> server of that category (server that was doing it's dirty job with the +</I>><i> distro of 2 or 3 generations ago). +</I>><i> +</I> +Oh, I know several servers out there running on i586 ~200Mhz that has no +problem what so ever keeping up with the spam/av filtering. + +><i> I also tried such old hardware, but there are much less bloated distro +</I>><i> and less bloated kernels (even non-linux ones) that do the job (or a +</I>><i> specific duty) on such hardware a lot better than ours. +</I>><i> +</I> +Maybe so, but does that mean we should force them to _not_ use Mageia ? + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#258">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#258">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#258">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#258">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |