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There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or +</I>><i> > desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled +</I>><i> > carefully. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is +</I>><i> being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries. +</I>><i> Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an +</I>><i> old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can't +</I>><i> (and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some +</I>><i> 30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of +</I>><i> attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of +</I>><i> failures. That's why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based +</I>><i> on own experiences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I fully agree, At "first world" countries, Like Europe ones or USA, people +</I>><i> can buy the most recet PCS, but at "Thrird world" countries - Like Brazil, +</I>><i> what is part of BRIC, or many Africa nations - this is very unacessible by +</I>><i> population, even with government programs, like Brazil's "Computador para +</I>><i> Todos" (computer for everyone) that sells low-cost PCs with inferior +</I>><i> hardware, often leftover stock lines earlier from the U.S. and Europe. In +</I>><i> many department shops here, for example, Core2Duo is sold as if it were +</I>><i> the last flavor of the moment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If, where you are, Pentium I - 4 and 32-bit platform is a museum thing, in +</I>><i> most World parts, is not. I know people that, nowadays, uses a Pentium 200 +</I>><i> with 64MB RAM as main computer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Despite Mageia main target be current computers, we must think in these +</I>><i> people; 32-bit will not die anytime soon. Then: Do we need compile 32-bit +</I>><i> edition as i586 - and support Pentium and above, i686 - and support Pentium +</I>><i> Pro and above, or do a Mageia Lite edition? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [PS: I did not break the thread this time, broke?] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>What I'm saying is that in the "real world", an hardware generation is born +for a certain software generation. Outside this you can't, if programmers +doesn't have paid a particular attention to memory consumption and +performance. And currently they haven't. + +In mandriva 7.0-7.2 I was able to run vmware on a P133 with not 64 but 48MB +of RAM, and there I was running another OS under which I was running a +(TWAIN) software for page scanning for a Umax Page Office scanner, and that +was the only software available for acquiring data from a parallel port. A +bit slow but usable. The same using a modern distro on that old hardware is +no longer possible. So the feeling of being compatible with older hardware +is just apparent. This is true for even non-graphics applications. Try just +with apache, postfix, spamassassin, or even a simple modem-bridge with the +only things doing is having a modem connected to a serial port running a +getty and pppd for dialup access (that's the smallest application which +comes to my mind). + +So my point was that we were keeping flags holding the brakes for +maintaining a compatibility which is just apparent. Current configuring +tools are written in high level languages, like python, with a lot of other +libraries, and they consumes a lot more memory than in the past. Even +rendering the fonts consumes a lot more. xfs was even removed from standard +installation. + +Being compatible and usable with legacy system like that is certainly +possible, but not in the current way. On the software side is even worst +(e.g. some software removed in favour of other newer having the same +capability). Maybe there could be created a section called "Legacy" for such +kind of things, with much more testing. + +Bye +Giuseppe. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100926/4a8a48d0/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#245">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#245">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#245">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#245">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |