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Were you able to install the 2010.1? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Centos 4 installs and runs perfectly fine on a Pentium II 350Mhz with +</I>><i> 128MB RAM, I know it because I installed such a box for a friend as home +</I>><i> server running 24/7 (with DNS server, apache and some other stuff). +</I>><i> I didn't try Mandriva since it lacks long term support. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Centos4 IS NOT a modern distro. It is a LTS started in 2005 and so it +maintains 2005's original skeleton of kernel, gcc, glibc and X. That's FIVE +years old. As example MDV 2007.1, which is 3 years old, was still very +usable and responsive on my P4/ATI (maybe not as much as stable with 3D +acceleration), but 2010.0 ISN'T. + + +><i> > Common where? There are schools and universities are dismitting hardware +</I>><i> > like with P4/2.4Ghz and 512MB RAM for whatever use (either server or +</I>><i> > desktop). And even older hardware no-ROHS, which should be dismantled +</I>><i> > carefully. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You are seeing everything from a limited european POV, the P4 you say is +</I>><i> being thrown away here is a top-end system in some other countries. +</I>><i> Mageia is supposed to be for the whole world, not just EU/US/BRICs. +</I>><i> +</I> +I don't want to deprive the fun of building a router or a firewall from an +old P133/64 with two ethernet cards, or some mediabox, but often you can't +(and sometimes you pay of energy power in a year much more than getting some +30-50E linksys ARM linux based router. And when soemone try such kind of +attempts in the real world with your distro, will be very disappointed of +failures. That's why I in some way asked a survey of oldest hardware based +on own experiences. + + +><i> With regards to ISA cards, you can even still buy brand new modern mobos +</I>><i> with ISA slots right here in Europe, they are still common for +</I>><i> industrial uses: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.spectra.de/produkte/114184/web/spectra/Datenblatt-PMB-601LF.pdf?CFID=92074854-8638-47f6-a589-6517cde18fb1&CFTOKEN=0">http://www.spectra.de/produkte/114184/web/spectra/Datenblatt-PMB-601LF.pdf?CFID=92074854-8638-47f6-a589-6517cde18fb1&CFTOKEN=0</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +Very interesting, but will such "industrial use" will be target for Mageia +(BTW, certainly socket 775 CPU will support SSE and SSE2...)? If they have +an ISA slot, I guess is for maintaning the compatibility with some old fancy +(and maybe custom) card, certainly not for an ISA ethernet card that can be +easily replaced with a cheap PCI one or the one on board. + + +><i> > I'm not speaking about exclusion but about including or optimizing for +</I>><i> arch +</I>><i> > and hardware that NOBODY will use anymore, because can't. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The optimization you are talking about (which will increase +</I>><i> performance by a few percentage points at most, not noticeable at all +</I>><i> in practice) means that the distro will be unusable for others. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Not exactly. I'm not talking in just using -march=<something> but in also +pushing -mfpmath=sse -msse (and maybe -msse2) , which should be much more +than JUST 1-2% (1-2% is usually the benchmark tolerance)...Indeed the +original idea was of having real .i586, .k6, .k7.rpm, .viac3, .viac7.rpm RPM +packages, at least for the core ones: some time ago, when I was fighting +with having a non-crashing kernel for the dedibox, I had started adding such +"dialects" to the RPM macros (but problems were on the glibc package), but +being realistic I think it's a lot of work and there aren't the resources, +so a choice of the default flags should be done. + +Bye +Giuseppe. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100926/7a9fabaf/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#233">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#233">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#233">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#233">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |