diff options
Diffstat (limited to 'zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000228.html')
| -rw-r--r-- | zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000228.html | 140 |
1 files changed, 140 insertions, 0 deletions
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000228.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000228.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f982a7093 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20100925/000228.html @@ -0,0 +1,140 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimVXzoypv_0zrZLsoZv5gtRQ3ECL-YrFSz9KS35%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000226.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000229.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Giuseppe Ghibò</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimVXzoypv_0zrZLsoZv5gtRQ3ECL-YrFSz9KS35%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">ghibomgx at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 22:09:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#228">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#228">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#228">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#228">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> Since the vast majority of new processors are 64-bit capable, I see no +</I>><i> point in *only* supporting the newest of the old CPUs. All the 32-bit +</I>><i> stuff will eventually die on its own anyways. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I *definitely* do not want to see dropping support for everything that +</I>><i> doesn't do SSE2 (which was discussed in the Fedora thread you linked). +</I>><i> +</I> +PII is not SSE2 capable. I cited SSE2, because it was giving even more +boosts. SSE3, 4, etc. needs special support to gain further boosts. + + +><i> +</I>><i> IMHO, just sticking with i586 support is the path-of-least-resistance +</I>><i> and doesn't alienate people who must use older hardware out of +</I>><i> financial or geographic necessity. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would not use KDE as a basis for ruling out support of older +</I>><i> hardware. Mageia will offer many lightweight alternatives to KDE. +</I>><i> +</I> +Any system REALLY lightweight is welcome, but it's not a matter of just +choosing a desktop rather than another. There are also toolkits, and they +are getting fatter. Maybe a legacy system with just motif (or lesstif) +applications would be lightweight nowadays. But IMHO this is just an +illusion and get people "angry". I really want to see such a lightweight +system even for ATOM CPUs. + +I spent days and days in try to understand why passing from a distro to two +versions later, my shining not-so-new P4 hardware with ATI card become from +lightning to usable to a slow-dog that it was not able to keep at the same +time a browser and a mail client without slaughtering the hard disk with +swap. And the answer was that there wasn't any bottenleck in the distro +(beyond playing with Composite, XAA and EXA...). +Simply the upstream applications become fatter because they added more +checks, etc.; you might experience this even not using graphics at all but +remaining in console mode only. +And phoronix benchmarks shown this. Only difference is that when you +test adjacent +releases the differences are tighter, so you wouldn't notice too much. For +instance the whole distro of Xandros running on the first EEEPCs, was able +to boot and go X in 10-15 seconds. But when starting OpenOffice/Staroffice +there, or acrobat reader, was not faster than the same time they were taking +on MDV. + +Even newer versions of what was considered the most optimized and +lightweight distro, VectorLinux, become slower. Or try to put in a CDROM an +older Knoppix 3.2 of 2005 against Knoppix 6.2 on the same hardware... + +Of course we shouldn't forget that the MDV had already a system for +providing optimized (look at /usr/lib/sse2 for instance) version of +libraries according to instruction set supported. + +So my suggestion was just to rethink to the lowest common denominator for 32 +bit consider that we are in year 2010, maybe adding to such list the SSE and +MMX sets. And by contrary are the CPU not supporting such set still usable +with the newer distro even in console mode (fileserver, webserver, dns +server, etc.)? Have they enough memory to run even the installer? Just a +survey. + +Note that I'm always in favour in preserving the legacy stuff, especially +for software applications, but when things are done in a certain way, even +if there is only one SINGLE user using it (he would have invested time in +learning things, so why removing things he knows and use?). + + +><i> Because the kernel is modular, excluding older drivers may save some +</I>><i> hard disk space, but won't affect the actual kernel size much. As +</I>><i> soon as you exclude support for ISA, someone will come along wondering +</I>><i> why their $VeryImportantOlderHW no longer works. ;o) +</I>><i> +</I> +when it works...I saw in the past many of my most important old hardware, +like some PCMCIA network card or modem not working or supported anymore... +;-) + +Bye +Giuseppe. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20100925/0692a918/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#228">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#228">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#228">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#228">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |