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Magallón</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Art%2C%20Logo%20and%20Branding&In-Reply-To=%3C20100924030740.3029e85e%40werewolf.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding">jamagallon at ono.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Sep 24 03:07:40 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#194">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#194">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#194">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#194">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:58:30 +0200, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> How would you ensure that the community version will not be seen as a +</I>><i> cheap version of the commercial one ? How would you prevent this idea +</I>><i> from destroying again the community like it did by the past ? +</I>><i> +</I>... +><i> All people who I asked the question said that the only solution is to +</I>><i> have 2 different names and brandings. +</I>><i> Redhat do it, and it work fine from them. +</I>><i> Novell do it, and it work fine. +</I>><i> Canonical do it ( to a lesser extend , since there was +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345</A> ), and it work +</I>><i> fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even debian based distro used a different name ( progeny, etc ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We didn't for Mandriva, and so started the confusion between the +</I>><i> company, the distribution and the community. And so people didn't +</I>><i> contribute because it was a business, and the idea that "updates were +</I>><i> not free" stick around for a long time because it was hard to explain to +</I>><i> people the different concept +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So if there is a business or commercial version, I think this would +</I>><i> requires a different name and branding. Using the association name for +</I>><i> that would not be right, in my opinion. +</I>><i> +</I> +I (and this is a totally personal opinion, of course, even if I sound harsh) +really hate all this mess of editions/versions/variants of the same distro. +I have always installed both servers and desktops with the same Mandriva +edition. In fact (perhaps I'm ignorant on this point), what's the difference +between lets say a 'server' edition and a 'desktop' edition ? The default +set of installed packages ? +And what is the difference between the Commercial and the Free edition ? +The support from the company ? + +It would be even a benefit for the distro: one suit to fit all markets. +You have a distro that works for everything. +Just: +- have a one and only DVD distro +- have several automatic setups for desktop and server (if you want to + distinguish them, that I would not, I want to log in in Gnome in my + samba server to admin it and I want firefox to google ldap problems) + like mandriva does with KDE/Gnome/other. +- make very clear that you/someone sells a commercial support product, + not DVD or distro product, even say "I can mail you also the dvd, + but you could just donwload it, it is the same and what you pay for + is SUPPORT from the people that builds and better knows it". +- dont use any different branding or logo, just find a logo that is + serious enough to fit the commercial part. + +And I have not finished reading all the threads, but having a look at +the logos, I see some clear problem: many are too complicated. +After choosing a logo for our research group at the University, +time after I realized we did it wrong, for some aspects: + +- separate the logo from the name. A logo is a logo, and the full + distro/whatever includes the logo and the distro name. + So you are free to chose both the icon/logo and the typeface for + the name, you can put only the logo in some places, you can + arrange the logo+name in different setups (one above other for + the top of a letter or side by side for a web title or banner) + This rules out all that designs with interlaced letters and + plants or fire and so on +- dont relay too much on colour. Suppose you want to put your logo + on a black and white letter...a logo that can be printed both + in colour and black would be perfect (as I wrote this, I found + the artwork guidelines, so forget it ;) ). + +I really like this idea: + +<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A> + +You can print it in black and white, have a photo-realistic render, +or even a use video in this line + +<A HREF="http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-video-10598162-blue-energy-ball.php">http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-video-10598162-blue-energy-ball.php</A> + +with the M turning into blue fire ;) + +Just some ideas, no pun intended. + +Great work, guys!! Lookin forward the day I could switch my mirror list +in urpmi... + +-- +J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com> \ Software is like sex: + \ It's better when it's free +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#194">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#194">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#194">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#194">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |