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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-sysadm/2012-March/004296.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-sysadm/2012-March/004296.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f9c77ca54 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-sysadm/2012-March/004296.html @@ -0,0 +1,170 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-sysadm%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-sysadm%5D%20%5Bforums-discuss%5D%20Re%3A%20updating%20sysadmin%0A%20privileges%20in%20forum%20config&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5np8bERmWkJdKFPiakiKHSk_wr%3Dg7QofAUs2gNwjNSRA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004298.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004299.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-sysadm%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-sysadm%5D%20%5Bforums-discuss%5D%20Re%3A%20updating%20sysadmin%0A%20privileges%20in%20forum%20config&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5np8bERmWkJdKFPiakiKHSk_wr%3Dg7QofAUs2gNwjNSRA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Mar 22 08:18:05 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004298.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004299.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4296">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4296">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4296">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4296">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/3/22 Marja van Waes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>>: +><i> On 21/03/12 23:34, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 2012/3/21 Florian Hubold<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Maât: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> +</I>>>>>><i>  wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> [...] +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection): +</I>>>>>><i>   * Sysadmins group: +</I>>>>>><i>     - removed; +</I>>>>>><i>   * Administrators group: +</I>>>>>><i>     - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I +</I>>>>>><i> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be +</I>>>>>><i> managed by them directly; +</I>>>>>><i>     - added boklm as leader; +</I>>>>>><i>     - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project +</I>>>>>><i> for several months; +</I>>>>>><i>     - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's +</I>>>>>><i> for); +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other +</I>>>>><i> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours) +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like +</I>>>>><i> that +</I>>>>><i> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user +</I>>>>><i> is +</I>>>>><i> created in LDAP directory) +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i>   * Moderators group: +</I>>>>>><i>     - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum +</I>>>>>><i> moderators already operate). +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> So now: +</I>>>>>><i>   - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum +</I>>>>>><i> admin&    moderators, from code to deployment to online config; +</I>>>>>><i>   - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate +</I>>>>>><i> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in +</I>>>>>><i> Administrators and Moderators groups; +</I>>>>>><i>   - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> r. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> There are 2 things that were not adressed : +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i>  * Separation of forum administration on several "roles" which... oh +</I>>>>><i>    well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize +</I>>>>><i>    me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/ +</I>>>>><i>  * Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see +</I>>>>><i>    mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way +</I>>>>><i>    testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database... +</I>>>>><i>    pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2 +</I>>>>><i>    minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the +</I>>>>><i>    mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a +</I>>>>><i>    chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying +</I>>>>><i>    god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given +</I>>>>><i>    this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to +</I>>>>><i>    get into) +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and +</I>>>>><i> distrusted... as +</I>>>>><i> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a +</I>>>>><i> pure +</I>>>>><i> "interface forum admin" is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. +</I>>>>><i> Without +</I>>>>><i> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes +</I>>>>><i> for +</I>>>>><i> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from +</I>>>>><i> apache +</I>>>>><i> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, +</I>>>>><i> without +</I>>>>><i> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a +</I>>>>><i> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^ +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except +</I>>>><i> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he is +</I>><i> still around. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Can you please give a link to the updates you just mentioned? +</I> +He is talking about the update of the forum software phpBB3. The +version used at Mageia is outdated since summer 2011. New versions of +phpBB3 almost always are caused by security issues. This has been +mentioned several times in the forum threads. The point is that the +implementation of the forum software at Mageia (involving puppet, +etc.) was done this way to "ease forum software maintenance" (quoting +maât). :) + +And yes, TBH as well, Marja, after the forums were installed last year +it would not have made much difference if maât had left completely a +year ago. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004298.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004299.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4296">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4296">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4296">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4296">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |