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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/2011-June/000407.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/2011-June/000407.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c8697e288 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-marketing/2011-June/000407.html @@ -0,0 +1,136 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-marketing%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-marketing%5D%20It%27s%20time%20to%20think%20about%20Mageia%202&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTimEU_%3DR%2BXy1AXd-%2BT5d0T0sXQvHEQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000405.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000404.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-marketing%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-marketing%5D%20It%27s%20time%20to%20think%20about%20Mageia%202&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTimEU_%3DR%2BXy1AXd-%2BT5d0T0sXQvHEQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2">rda at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jun 13 17:42:56 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#407">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#407">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#407">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#407">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi Marcello, + +On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:24, Marcello Anni <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>> wrote: +><i> so what are the goals of the brainstorming session if no one is forced to work +</I>><i> on them? +</I> +First, let's make sure we agree on what brainstorming is about: +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming#Osborn.27s_method">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming#Osborn.27s_method</A> + +><i>From that can emerge good, actionable things, to discuss/spec further +</I>and that enough people can commit to and produce. Unless this last +condition is met, a track/idea won't result in anything; that's part +of the game. + +><i> can we have at least a sort of promise of developers who want to +</I>><i> listen to the marketing key points we chose to improve the distro? +</I> +If you can't convince them of the relevance and benefits of your idea, +you will either have nothing at all, or something that is not properly +done (and don't expect things to be done in one single row). + +><i> if we chose as a target "newbies" and we think they do need a short guide shortly +</I>><i> after the installation, but no one will implement (as it was for mandriva), +</I> +Why don't you start to build it and advocate it in a small circle to +build it further and submit it then? + +><i> what is our role other than giving proposals to others and preparing release notes? +</I> +Already answered in my previous mail, but apparently, you don't +understand that in a volunteer project, what gets done are things that +drive enough people to commit their time to it. Getting an +idea/concept approved/supported by the Council is a minimal step to go +through, but is not even mandatory. Getting supported/executed by +people that understand and want this thing done is an obviously +required step: that's kind of a first reality check. + +><i> this is not a marketing team, you're wrong. this is a "comunication team", +</I>><i> that is completely different +</I> +Communicating/discussing ideas is a good thing to master before +thinking/designing through new ones, no? + +So, both are closely working together (hence the mar'comm' team). As +for marketing per se, it should grow through the whole project, and +the most important task of the marketing team is maybe to +advocate/educate this through all other teams (as is the role of every +other team to spread its own particular bits around). + +><i> my ideas are on dev specs since years but they've never been implemented. +</I>><i> so, why have i to lost my time proposing stuff that no one will listen to it? +</I> +Ideas and proposals are nothing without action (which presupose +agreement and understanding). It's good to have ideas. But don't blame +others for not succeeding (yet) in transforming them into reality +(don't blame you either, just try different or harder). + +><i> there should be a respective trust among marketing- team /dev-team +</I>><i> unless the project future can be summarize in a word: +</I>><i> ABANDONED. +</I> +If you don't take the time to know people, their motivations, to work +with them, to advocate, discuss, contradict, deconstruct, re-build +your views, to say no sometimes, to experiment, you won't cross the +bridge going from your wishes to reality. + +Trusting you is not enough a reason to do what you say, or dismiss my +own priorities regarding a limited resource (time); that's as valid in +a volunteer context as in a corporate one (only, few people will admit +it before it's too late). + +So the best you can do is: take your time, focus on one thing you want +to do, build it - and if you need someone to help you, take the time +to find this person and explain why it's important to build it. + +Just don't expect anyone to follow what you say just because you are +this or that (age, position, title, achievements, whatever). + +Cheers! + +Romain +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-marketing] It's time to think about Mageia 2 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#407">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#407">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#407">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#407">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More information about the Mageia-marketing +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |