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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/22 Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sat, 21 May 2011, magnus wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+My upgrade from a fresh installed 2010.1 runs ok.<br>
+<br>
+mdv package are in the attachment<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I guess you mean those are the mdv packages still installed. At least some of those (e.g. ginkgo, sam2p) are available in mageia. Did you upgrade using a DVD but not yet update using network media?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+<br>
+    Christiaan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Please look to bug 1373, there is the correct list.</div><div>The list you refer was made after the upgrade via dvd without updating.</div><div>Inside the bug there is also the list after updating . </div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/22 Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sat, 21 May 2011, magnus wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+My upgrade from a fresh installed 2010.1 runs ok.<br>
+<br>
+mdv package are in the attachment<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I guess you mean those are the mdv packages still installed. At least some of those (e.g. ginkgo, sam2p) are available in mageia. Did you upgrade using a DVD but not yet update using network media?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+<br>
+    Christiaan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Please look to bug 1373, there is the correct list.</div><div>The list you refer was made after the upgrade via dvd without updating.</div><div>Inside the bug there is also the list after updating . </div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/22 Daniel Le Berre <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:le.berred@free.fr">le.berred@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 22/05/2011 09:42, Luca Olivetti a écrit :<br>
+&gt; Al 22/05/11 05:51, En/na Wolfgang Bornath ha escrit:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main<br>
+&gt;&gt; reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could<br>
+&gt;&gt; get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not<br>
+&gt;&gt; uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during<br>
+&gt;&gt; one session (a known bug).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without<br>
+&gt; using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool just removed<br>
+&gt; the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Bye<br>
+<br>
+I used easyurpmi for a while, mainly to add PLF sources, or to specify a<br>
+specific mirror when there was some mirroring problems in MDV (hdlist<br>
+not synced with repository content for instance).<br>
+<br>
+As noted previously, the PLF issue does not hold for MGA.<br>
+<br>
+It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is<br>
+working than add yet another tool to the distrib.<br>
+<br>
+We could have for instance checkboxes when importing media sources with:<br>
+<br>
+- select mirror: by default let the media manager find a mirror for you,<br>
+else select one in a list<br>
+- include tainted: by default disable access to tainted repository. Warn<br>
+the user about the content of those repositories.<br>
+<br>
+The main point is that people often do not know about the media manager.<br>
+Maybe a button to that tool directly in the update app would give it<br>
+more visibility, instead of looking into it on the package manager menu.<br>
+Or maybe it should be an app on its own.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Daniel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Well, it is &quot;an app on its own&quot;, just look at Mageia Control Center.</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/22 Daniel Le Berre <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:le.berred@free.fr">le.berred@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 22/05/2011 09:42, Luca Olivetti a écrit :<br>
+&gt; Al 22/05/11 05:51, En/na Wolfgang Bornath ha escrit:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main<br>
+&gt;&gt; reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could<br>
+&gt;&gt; get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not<br>
+&gt;&gt; uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during<br>
+&gt;&gt; one session (a known bug).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without<br>
+&gt; using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool just removed<br>
+&gt; the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Bye<br>
+<br>
+I used easyurpmi for a while, mainly to add PLF sources, or to specify a<br>
+specific mirror when there was some mirroring problems in MDV (hdlist<br>
+not synced with repository content for instance).<br>
+<br>
+As noted previously, the PLF issue does not hold for MGA.<br>
+<br>
+It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is<br>
+working than add yet another tool to the distrib.<br>
+<br>
+We could have for instance checkboxes when importing media sources with:<br>
+<br>
+- select mirror: by default let the media manager find a mirror for you,<br>
+else select one in a list<br>
+- include tainted: by default disable access to tainted repository. Warn<br>
+the user about the content of those repositories.<br>
+<br>
+The main point is that people often do not know about the media manager.<br>
+Maybe a button to that tool directly in the update app would give it<br>
+more visibility, instead of looking into it on the package manager menu.<br>
+Or maybe it should be an app on its own.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Daniel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Well, it is &quot;an app on its own&quot;, just look at Mageia Control Center.</div><div><br></div>
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+<br>2011/5/22 Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span><br><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br></div>
+Would it be worth the while to draft a short Mdva 2010.2-to-Mageia1 migration memo (enumerating known problems, listing hardware where an update-install is not recommended; from my experience: suggest that customized<br>
+
+kde user-environments might be re-done using &quot;mv .kde4 sv_kde4)?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think this is an good idea.</div><div>I think an other problem is the replacement of the proprietary drivers (I had a prob with nvidia96)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Another point the the automatic for setting the repos.</div><div><br></div><div>Normally I install first from dvd, reboot, add repos and the do the update.</div><div>This seems not good for the upgrade.</div>
+<div>Because without updating during the upgrade there are no repos set (only cd-rom)</div><div><br></div><div>The repos should be set independent from update during installation.</div><div><br></div><div>What hapens with plf repos? (I think each normal system has them)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The routine for setting the repos should look for plf and then activate tainted.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps generate an automatic &quot;urpmi -qa | mdv /plf)&quot; to get a standard file for missing packages.</div>
+<div>So everyone can send it to <a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>In the evening a will test an upgrage of an komplete 2010.2 (with plf, some muldimedia stuff, proprietary GeForce) on an KDE x86_64 system.</div>
+<div>I think rather near by an enviroments of an simple user.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br></div>
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+<br>2011/5/22 Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span><br><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br></div>
+Would it be worth the while to draft a short Mdva 2010.2-to-Mageia1 migration memo (enumerating known problems, listing hardware where an update-install is not recommended; from my experience: suggest that customized<br>
+
+kde user-environments might be re-done using &quot;mv .kde4 sv_kde4)?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think this is an good idea.</div><div>I think an other problem is the replacement of the proprietary drivers (I had a prob with nvidia96)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Another point the the automatic for setting the repos.</div><div><br></div><div>Normally I install first from dvd, reboot, add repos and the do the update.</div><div>This seems not good for the upgrade.</div>
+<div>Because without updating during the upgrade there are no repos set (only cd-rom)</div><div><br></div><div>The repos should be set independent from update during installation.</div><div><br></div><div>What hapens with plf repos? (I think each normal system has them)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The routine for setting the repos should look for plf and then activate tainted.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps generate an automatic &quot;urpmi -qa | mdv /plf)&quot; to get a standard file for missing packages.</div>
+<div>So everyone can send it to <a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>In the evening a will test an upgrage of an komplete 2010.2 (with plf, some muldimedia stuff, proprietary GeForce) on an KDE x86_64 system.</div>
+<div>I think rather near by an enviroments of an simple user.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br></div>