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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/1cdccf78/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/1cdccf78/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7fcf5016b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/1cdccf78/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:40 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br> +<br> +> imo, we can probably use $name and config it, so forks can just reconfigure.<br> +><br> +> also, why not Mageia Kitchen or AppKitchen ?<br> +<br> +</div>Well, localisations (localisations) will require it to be some sort of<br> +variable, I suppose.<br> +<br> +I like AppKitchen.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Simon<br> +<br></font></blockquote><div><br>I thing AppKitchen is god but maybe AppWorld or AppStorage is better ? <br></div></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/1cdccf78/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/1cdccf78/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7fcf5016b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/1cdccf78/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:40 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br> +<br> +> imo, we can probably use $name and config it, so forks can just reconfigure.<br> +><br> +> also, why not Mageia Kitchen or AppKitchen ?<br> +<br> +</div>Well, localisations (localisations) will require it to be some sort of<br> +variable, I suppose.<br> +<br> +I like AppKitchen.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Simon<br> +<br></font></blockquote><div><br>I thing AppKitchen is god but maybe AppWorld or AppStorage is better ? <br></div></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/26df1828/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/26df1828/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d497d8073 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/26df1828/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Mariusz Woźniak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mwozniak00@gmail.com">mwozniak00@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk" target="_blank">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + +<div>On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:40 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br> +<br> +> imo, we can probably use $name and config it, so forks can just reconfigure.<br> +><br> +> also, why not Mageia Kitchen or AppKitchen ?<br> +<br> +</div>Well, localisations (localisations) will require it to be some sort of<br> +variable, I suppose.<br> +<br> +I like AppKitchen.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Simon<br> +<br></font></blockquote><div><br>I thing AppKitchen is god but maybe AppWorld or AppStorage is better ? <br></div></div><br> +</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Why don't call it software portal ?<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/26df1828/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/26df1828/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d497d8073 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/26df1828/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,18 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Mariusz Woźniak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mwozniak00@gmail.com">mwozniak00@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk" target="_blank">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + +<div>On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:40 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br> +<br> +> imo, we can probably use $name and config it, so forks can just reconfigure.<br> +><br> +> also, why not Mageia Kitchen or AppKitchen ?<br> +<br> +</div>Well, localisations (localisations) will require it to be some sort of<br> +variable, I suppose.<br> +<br> +I like AppKitchen.<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Simon<br> +<br></font></blockquote><div><br>I thing AppKitchen is god but maybe AppWorld or AppStorage is better ? <br></div></div><br> +</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Why don't call it software portal ?<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6cb7a61f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +<div>MAD = <img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" src="cid:gtalk.328@goomoji.gmail" goomoji="gtalk.328"> Muttualy Assured Distruction... :))</div> +<div> </div> +<div>NOT a very good ideea to name it that way :))</div> +<div> </div> +<div>We can try... ( i came up empty)... :(</div> +<div> </div> +<div>Bogo </div> +<div> </div> +<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2011 14:11, Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> +<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:51 +0100, Rémi Verschelde wrote:<br>> 2011/2/11 Catalin Florin RUSSEN <<a href="mailto:cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk">cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk</a>>:<br>> > Mageia's Spell Book ?<br> + +> ><br>> > Best regards,<br>> > Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br></div> +<div class="im">> I also looked for "formula" : φορμαλεία (phormaleia).<br>><br>> But using greek words may not be the best solution for Mageia-app-db.<br>><br>> Cheers,<br>> Rémi<br><br></div> + +"MagApps"?<br>I know it sounds horrible, but it's what "Mageia Applications Database"<br>would naturally get abbreviated to...<br><font color="#888888"><br>Simon<br><br></font></blockquote></div><br> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment-0001.png b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment-0001.png Binary files differnew file mode 100644 index 000000000..48e290f49 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment-0001.png diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6cb7a61f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +<div>MAD = <img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" src="cid:gtalk.328@goomoji.gmail" goomoji="gtalk.328"> Muttualy Assured Distruction... :))</div> +<div> </div> +<div>NOT a very good ideea to name it that way :))</div> +<div> </div> +<div>We can try... ( i came up empty)... :(</div> +<div> </div> +<div>Bogo </div> +<div> </div> +<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2011 14:11, Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"> +<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:51 +0100, Rémi Verschelde wrote:<br>> 2011/2/11 Catalin Florin RUSSEN <<a href="mailto:cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk">cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk</a>>:<br>> > Mageia's Spell Book ?<br> + +> ><br>> > Best regards,<br>> > Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br></div> +<div class="im">> I also looked for "formula" : φορμαλεία (phormaleia).<br>><br>> But using greek words may not be the best solution for Mageia-app-db.<br>><br>> Cheers,<br>> Rémi<br><br></div> + +"MagApps"?<br>I know it sounds horrible, but it's what "Mageia Applications Database"<br>would naturally get abbreviated to...<br><font color="#888888"><br>Simon<br><br></font></blockquote></div><br> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment.png b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment.png Binary files differnew file mode 100644 index 000000000..48e290f49 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/4d5c4e1d/attachment.png diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/5cc9a0e3/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/5cc9a0e3/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab32c560f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/5cc9a0e3/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote"><div>I'm listing some names that I think is good.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Mageia App Center *</div><div>Mageia Spell Book</div><div>Mageia App Box</div><div>Mageia App Market</div><div>Mageia Software Database</div> +<div><br></div><div>* This is my favourite.</div><div><br></div><div>A. Jnior</div><div>Mageia Brazilian Team</div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/5cc9a0e3/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/5cc9a0e3/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab32c560f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/5cc9a0e3/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote"><div>I'm listing some names that I think is good.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Mageia App Center *</div><div>Mageia Spell Book</div><div>Mageia App Box</div><div>Mageia App Market</div><div>Mageia Software Database</div> +<div><br></div><div>* This is my favourite.</div><div><br></div><div>A. Jnior</div><div>Mageia Brazilian Team</div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/81fbf56e/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/81fbf56e/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cdabb3b01 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/81fbf56e/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAk1UfX8ACgkQk29cDOWzfVDaGACdEXWRuF8GsC+iqQig+QZMVWI4 +XqwAniIQS5NQ1dHxe15tX/8k33wkN6Gj +=pRgU +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/81fbf56e/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/81fbf56e/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cdabb3b01 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/81fbf56e/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAk1UfX8ACgkQk29cDOWzfVDaGACdEXWRuF8GsC+iqQig+QZMVWI4 +XqwAniIQS5NQ1dHxe15tX/8k33wkN6Gj +=pRgU +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/9350630d/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/9350630d/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3aa6cc8fa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/9350630d/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +<div>Hey guys :)</div> +<div></div> +<div>How about "App Cauldron" or "App Cube" (referring to cubing in SQL BIDS apps)</div> +<div></div> +<div>Best regards,</div> +<div>Bogo</div> +<div>Romanian Translation Team<br><br></div> +<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2011 00:58, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find for our<br>application database.<br> + +<br>So let's try to find one :)<br><br>Some constraints :<br>- preferably a name without "Mageia" in it. Why ? Because this tool could be<br>used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will have<br> + +Mageia's logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of the Mageia<br>project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it, it will feel<br>weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I already plan to run<br> + +instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and mandriva (no, nobody<br>asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and this will help me keep in<br>mind that the application must not entirely depend on distribution specific<br> + +stuff, or only via modules/plugins).<br>- a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the<br>application, but without forgetting that it's still an application (and<br>packages) database.<br><br> + +Some people have already proposed :<br><br>Mageia Find Out<br>Mageia Application Database/Discovery/Foundry<br>Mageia Application Warehouse/Mall/Store/Shop<br>Mageia - Explore Applications<br>Mageia - World of Applications<br> + +<br>But other suggestions are still welcome.<br><br>Best regards<br><font color="#888888"><br>Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/9350630d/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/9350630d/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3aa6cc8fa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/9350630d/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,21 @@ +<div>Hey guys :)</div> +<div></div> +<div>How about "App Cauldron" or "App Cube" (referring to cubing in SQL BIDS apps)</div> +<div></div> +<div>Best regards,</div> +<div>Bogo</div> +<div>Romanian Translation Team<br><br></div> +<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2011 00:58, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> +<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find for our<br>application database.<br> + +<br>So let's try to find one :)<br><br>Some constraints :<br>- preferably a name without "Mageia" in it. Why ? Because this tool could be<br>used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will have<br> + +Mageia's logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of the Mageia<br>project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it, it will feel<br>weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I already plan to run<br> + +instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and mandriva (no, nobody<br>asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and this will help me keep in<br>mind that the application must not entirely depend on distribution specific<br> + +stuff, or only via modules/plugins).<br>- a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the<br>application, but without forgetting that it's still an application (and<br>packages) database.<br><br> + +Some people have already proposed :<br><br>Mageia Find Out<br>Mageia Application Database/Discovery/Foundry<br>Mageia Application Warehouse/Mall/Store/Shop<br>Mageia - Explore Applications<br>Mageia - World of Applications<br> + +<br>But other suggestions are still welcome.<br><br>Best regards<br><font color="#888888"><br>Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/a555642b/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/a555642b/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e2459d916 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/a555642b/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:02, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br> +Le vendredi 11 fvrier 2011 11:53:28, Michael Scherer a crit :<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">> Le jeudi 10 fvrier 2011 23:58 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a crit :<br> +> > As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find<br> +> > for our application database.<br> +> ><br> +> > So let's try to find one :)<br> +> ><br> +> > Some constraints :<br> +> > - preferably a name without "Mageia" in it. Why ? Because this tool could<br> +> > be used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will<br> +> > have Mageia's logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of<br> +> > the Mageia project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it,<br> +> > it will feel weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I<br> +> > already plan to run instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and<br> +> > mandriva (no, nobody asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and<br> +> > this will help me keep in mind that the application must not entirely<br> +> > depend on distribution specific stuff, or only via modules/plugins).<br> +> > - a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the<br> +> > application, but without forgetting that it's still an application (and<br> +> > packages) database.<br> +><br> +> What about adding :<br> +> - a name that could inspire a logo<br> +> - a name that is not trademarked<br> +> - a name that is not already used on freshmeat nor as a package on the<br> +> major distro<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Indeed, that was kind of implicit, but better saying it loud :)<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Samuel<br> +<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>AppScope ?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/a555642b/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/a555642b/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e2459d916 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110211/a555642b/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:02, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<br> +Le vendredi 11 fvrier 2011 11:53:28, Michael Scherer a crit :<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">> Le jeudi 10 fvrier 2011 23:58 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a crit :<br> +> > As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find<br> +> > for our application database.<br> +> ><br> +> > So let's try to find one :)<br> +> ><br> +> > Some constraints :<br> +> > - preferably a name without "Mageia" in it. Why ? Because this tool could<br> +> > be used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will<br> +> > have Mageia's logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of<br> +> > the Mageia project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it,<br> +> > it will feel weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I<br> +> > already plan to run instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and<br> +> > mandriva (no, nobody asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and<br> +> > this will help me keep in mind that the application must not entirely<br> +> > depend on distribution specific stuff, or only via modules/plugins).<br> +> > - a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the<br> +> > application, but without forgetting that it's still an application (and<br> +> > packages) database.<br> +><br> +> What about adding :<br> +> - a name that could inspire a logo<br> +> - a name that is not trademarked<br> +> - a name that is not already used on freshmeat nor as a package on the<br> +> major distro<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Indeed, that was kind of implicit, but better saying it loud :)<br> +<font color="#888888"><br> +Samuel<br> +<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br>AppScope ?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> |
