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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 19:28, Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+In fact communication between humans is never simple :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Maât<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div> Yes.<br><br></div></div>I think that most hopes and fears have now been voiced in this thread.<br>If I have understood correctly you will be the one to set up this communication structure.<br>
+So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it now ?<br><br>developers, triage, moderators, facilitators, helpers, .... users<br>bugzilla, ML&#39;s, Forums : open , read only, restricted membership, moderated ...<br>
+HowTo&#39;s, guidelines, ...<br>Who does what where ?<br clear="all"><br>Even if incomplete, and with options and unknowns, I think it could help.<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 19:28, Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+In fact communication between humans is never simple :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Maât<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div> Yes.<br><br></div></div>I think that most hopes and fears have now been voiced in this thread.<br>If I have understood correctly you will be the one to set up this communication structure.<br>
+So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it now ?<br><br>developers, triage, moderators, facilitators, helpers, .... users<br>bugzilla, ML&#39;s, Forums : open , read only, restricted membership, moderated ...<br>
+HowTo&#39;s, guidelines, ...<br>Who does what where ?<br clear="all"><br>Even if incomplete, and with options and unknowns, I think it could help.<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:07, Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.<br>
+<br>
+I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of<br>
+information, but this page is pretty accurate:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div><br>
+Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one&#39;s point of view, by international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at the time of signing) Ireland&#39;s country code is IE. Ireland was part of this agreement.<br>
+<font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>I think you keep confusing  Ireland as a country and   Ireland as geographical island. Ireland the country does not cover all of   Ireland the geographical island.<br>Ireland&#39;s country code is IE but does not apply to   the whole of Ireland the geographical island. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</a> is not part of <br>
+IE but of UK.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:07, Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.<br>
+<br>
+I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of<br>
+information, but this page is pretty accurate:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div><br>
+Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one&#39;s point of view, by international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at the time of signing) Ireland&#39;s country code is IE. Ireland was part of this agreement.<br>
+<font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>I think you keep confusing  Ireland as a country and   Ireland as geographical island. Ireland the country does not cover all of   Ireland the geographical island.<br>Ireland&#39;s country code is IE but does not apply to   the whole of Ireland the geographical island. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</a> is not part of <br>
+IE but of UK.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+MacXi,<div><br></div><div>Só pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes são chamadas apenas de T1, T2, T3...</div><div><br></div><div>Abraços,</div><div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Junior,<br>
+Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net:<br>
+(<a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1" target="_blank">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</a>).<br>
+Abs<br>
+MacXi<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Em Seg 04 Out 2010, às 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior<br>
+escreveu:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; MacXi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Tier1 é um tipo de rede IP, isso não se traduz. Talvez você possa colocar<br>
+&gt;  um link para uma página que explique o que é.<br>
+&gt; Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que lá tenha algo bem explicado.<br>
+&gt; Abraços,<br>
+&gt; Júnior<br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+MacXi,<div><br></div><div>Só pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes são chamadas apenas de T1, T2, T3...</div><div><br></div><div>Abraços,</div><div><br></div><div>Júnior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Junior,<br>
+Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net:<br>
+(<a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1" target="_blank">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</a>).<br>
+Abs<br>
+MacXi<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Em Seg 04 Out 2010, às 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior<br>
+escreveu:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; MacXi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Tier1 é um tipo de rede IP, isso não se traduz. Talvez você possa colocar<br>
+&gt;  um link para uma página que explique o que é.<br>
+&gt; Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que lá tenha algo bem explicado.<br>
+&gt; Abraços,<br>
+&gt; Júnior<br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Hello!</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">At present, if someone want to translate the pages or documents into his or her language, he or she must send the translation to administrators, and the administrators will put the translation on the site. If the translation should be improved, the&nbsp;translator have to send the improved translation to&nbsp;administrators again. Administrators are not able to read many languages, so they have to spend much energy and time on edit work of pages and documents with contacting the translator. Therefore, translation work often is inefficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">I think the site can use a mode as Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, I created a Chinese page for Magie. Every time I read it, I have some new ideas to improve it, just modifying one word or two words. So, the page will be better and better. If every time modifying one or two words should be done by administrators, the translation work will be&nbsp;inefficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Except the original text of English or French, can other languages translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia? I am sure that the mode will be very&nbsp;efficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Best regards,</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Jiang Yike</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
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+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Hello!</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">At present, if someone want to translate the pages or documents into his or her language, he or she must send the translation to administrators, and the administrators will put the translation on the site. If the translation should be improved, the&nbsp;translator have to send the improved translation to&nbsp;administrators again. Administrators are not able to read many languages, so they have to spend much energy and time on edit work of pages and documents with contacting the translator. Therefore, translation work often is inefficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">I think the site can use a mode as Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, I created a Chinese page for Magie. Every time I read it, I have some new ideas to improve it, just modifying one word or two words. So, the page will be better and better. If every time modifying one or two words should be done by administrators, the translation work will be&nbsp;inefficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Except the original text of English or French, can other languages translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia? I am sure that the mode will be very&nbsp;efficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Best regards,</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Jiang Yike</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some part<br>
+will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>here is at instant t a synthesis of what I saw (incomplete, to be discussed, enhanced and clarified)</div><div> <a href="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</a></div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+1) Seting up <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div> done</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+2) Mirrors list<br>
+I&#39;ll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time) + an<br>
+svn read-only access to the code. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>done</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)<br>
+</blockquote><div>done</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">BTW: finding other Tier1 mirrors is still in progress.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+done, others welcome :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+4) Documentation<br></blockquote><div>done</div><div> <a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</a></div><div>may be easier to update on the wiki ? (and synchronized when corrected / precised?)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I suggest editing <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</a> which is on the wiki, rather than waiting for an update: this is to permit to any people to add what you think is important to document about the mirroring process (then Nanar will synchronize the documentation from time to time from the wiki ; who said release early, release often?).</div>
+<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Do you have comment or proposal about this process ?<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would have some proposals to promote collaborative work, particularly about the structure, seeing only tier 1 is forgetting the whole use of mirrors by developers and users in the end (and mirrors-admin in the middle to determine what should be mirrored). That&#39;s why I tried to modelize it as a mind-mind with xmind.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Just have a look at:</div><div> <a href="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</a> </div></div>(well it&#39;s also a wiki, so feel free to edit it, you may download the xmind source as well and edit it, just send it on the ML once updated, telling what you&#39;ve changed)<br>
+<div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some part<br>
+will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>here is at instant t a synthesis of what I saw (incomplete, to be discussed, enhanced and clarified)</div><div> <a href="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</a></div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+1) Seting up <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div> done</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+2) Mirrors list<br>
+I&#39;ll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time) + an<br>
+svn read-only access to the code. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>done</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)<br>
+</blockquote><div>done</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">BTW: finding other Tier1 mirrors is still in progress.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+done, others welcome :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+4) Documentation<br></blockquote><div>done</div><div> <a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</a></div><div>may be easier to update on the wiki ? (and synchronized when corrected / precised?)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I suggest editing <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</a> which is on the wiki, rather than waiting for an update: this is to permit to any people to add what you think is important to document about the mirroring process (then Nanar will synchronize the documentation from time to time from the wiki ; who said release early, release often?).</div>
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+Do you have comment or proposal about this process ?<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would have some proposals to promote collaborative work, particularly about the structure, seeing only tier 1 is forgetting the whole use of mirrors by developers and users in the end (and mirrors-admin in the middle to determine what should be mirrored). That&#39;s why I tried to modelize it as a mind-mind with xmind.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Just have a look at:</div><div> <a href="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</a> </div></div>(well it&#39;s also a wiki, so feel free to edit it, you may download the xmind source as well and edit it, just send it on the ML once updated, telling what you&#39;ve changed)<br>
+<div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>