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| author | Nicolas Vigier <boklm@mageia.org> | 2013-04-14 13:46:12 +0000 |
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/528bb30f/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/528bb30f/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3dc67c466 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/528bb30f/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per Řyvind Karlsen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +2010/9/21 Frank Griffin <<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>>:<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">> Jostein Hauge wrote:<br> +>><br> +>> If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should<br> +>> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us<br> +>> would<br> +>> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.<br> +>><br> +>> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make<br> +>> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between<br> +>> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.<br> +>><br> +>> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could<br> +>> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration<br> +>> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more<br> +>> like<br> +>> a vendetta than a constructive initiative.<br> +>><br> +>><br> +> +1<br> +><br> +> The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going<br> +> downhill fast.<br> +><br> +> As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV,<br> +> whether or not that seems respectful to the community. I'd be the last<br> +> one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded<br> +> long ago. But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect<br> +> their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to<br> +> please shareholders. They probably don't know we exist.<br> +><br> +> In this case, MDV (= Laprévote) seems to think that a foundation is good<br> +> for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it than I<br> +> would otherwise. And once they go down that path, it would be very<br> +> difficult to reverse.<br> +><br> +> No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,<br> +> remember the old saying: "the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the<br> +> bread of another". If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host a<br> +> foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing to<br> +> let the community control it, just go forward from there.<br> +</div></div>You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion<br> +on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the<br> +benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the<br> +whole thing.<br> +<br> +The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the<br> +foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that<br> +Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal<br> +vendetta.<br> +<br> +This isn't something originally coming from the management of the<br> +company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of<br> +the century by Gäel Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for<br> +discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a<br> +while!<br> +<br> +<br> +--<br> +Regards,<br> +<font color="#888888">Per Řyvind<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br> +Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I'm hoping for an independent SCM repository +as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see where branching can be taken advantage of, but as + mentioned before it would take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the +Mandriva svn and to account for growth.<br><br>Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from that, then a distribution. It just doesn't work that way. It's obvious that many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to roll/spin/create a distro and the enormous amount of setup and organization that goes into it. So I'm not going to address them. <br> +<br>So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all?<br><br>Regards,<br>Matthew Dawkins<br><br><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/528bb30f/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/528bb30f/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3dc67c466 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/528bb30f/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per Řyvind Karlsen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +2010/9/21 Frank Griffin <<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>>:<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">> Jostein Hauge wrote:<br> +>><br> +>> If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should<br> +>> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us<br> +>> would<br> +>> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.<br> +>><br> +>> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make<br> +>> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between<br> +>> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.<br> +>><br> +>> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could<br> +>> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration<br> +>> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more<br> +>> like<br> +>> a vendetta than a constructive initiative.<br> +>><br> +>><br> +> +1<br> +><br> +> The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going<br> +> downhill fast.<br> +><br> +> As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV,<br> +> whether or not that seems respectful to the community. I'd be the last<br> +> one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded<br> +> long ago. But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect<br> +> their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to<br> +> please shareholders. They probably don't know we exist.<br> +><br> +> In this case, MDV (= Laprévote) seems to think that a foundation is good<br> +> for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it than I<br> +> would otherwise. And once they go down that path, it would be very<br> +> difficult to reverse.<br> +><br> +> No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,<br> +> remember the old saying: "the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the<br> +> bread of another". If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host a<br> +> foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing to<br> +> let the community control it, just go forward from there.<br> +</div></div>You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion<br> +on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the<br> +benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the<br> +whole thing.<br> +<br> +The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the<br> +foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that<br> +Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal<br> +vendetta.<br> +<br> +This isn't something originally coming from the management of the<br> +company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of<br> +the century by Gäel Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for<br> +discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a<br> +while!<br> +<br> +<br> +--<br> +Regards,<br> +<font color="#888888">Per Řyvind<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br> +Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I'm hoping for an independent SCM repository +as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see where branching can be taken advantage of, but as + mentioned before it would take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the +Mandriva svn and to account for growth.<br><br>Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from that, then a distribution. It just doesn't work that way. It's obvious that many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to roll/spin/create a distro and the enormous amount of setup and organization that goes into it. So I'm not going to address them. <br> +<br>So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all?<br><br>Regards,<br>Matthew Dawkins<br><br><br> |