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+Thanks Michael,<br><br>Understanding for your explanation.<br>But there is one issue which brought up a question.<br>You are writing &quot;launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago&quot;.<br>Am i misunderstanding, or did i think the plans just were born some days (weeks at the most) ago?<br>
+<br>isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+First, let me present myself. My name is Michael Scherer, and for those<br>
+that do not already know me, I am a member of the Mandriva packaging<br>
+community, and one of the 4 <a href="http://zarb.org" target="_blank">zarb.org</a> admins. I am also involved in the<br>
+launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago.<br>
+<br>
+I just went back from FUDCON 2010 Zurich yesterday evening and I have<br>
+been quite overhelmed by the amount of discussion that is going on at<br>
+the moment, and I must confess that I feel more than stressed by<br>
+everything that is going on, to the point I still didn&#39;t connect to irc<br>
+yet.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, we are all happy of the tremendous support of the community,<br>
+but more than 500 messages in 2 days is a little bit too much for me to<br>
+digest, and so I would like to share a few points :<br>
+<br>
+- please try to avoid sending emails like &quot;i would like to help to<br>
+$FOO&quot;. While we are quite happy to see such mails, they are not very<br>
+helpful at the moment since we have to sort everything, and we cannot<br>
+accept help on $FOO yet. We have started to think about how we can<br>
+manage this, and we will likely soon setup a temporary wiki so people<br>
+can add their name ( likely tomorrow, once we have sorted the really<br>
+urgent stuff ), but in the mean time, I think people should wait a<br>
+little. I would also like to remind you that you can also wait for us to<br>
+ask for help, ie once we will need it. Let&#39;s say someone want to<br>
+translate the distribution in french. If you want to do it, do not say<br>
+&quot;I want to translate&quot;. Just wait until we have something to translate<br>
+when we will ask for help, and then sent the email. Or add your name on<br>
+the wiki once it will be set up and announced. By acting this way, we<br>
+will be more efficient as we will not have to search back in the<br>
+archives to see who offered what, and have less mails to read<br>
+( especially when we are very very busy ).<br>
+<br>
+- please try to not start long discussions about technical details<br>
+( like the thread about kernel-libre, about server component ). While of<br>
+course we need to have technical discussions as every technical project,<br>
+I must remind everybody that we do have any kind of infrastructure for<br>
+the moment, so this is a little bit early to start. And discussing it<br>
+now when we have nothing to commit or anything is IMHO distracting us<br>
+from our priorities, and a source of future frustration for people, as<br>
+we shouldn&#39;t make any decision in a hurry.<br>
+<br>
+- please do not forget there is some priorities in setting up. As<br>
+someone who boast of having non existant skills in website on his blog,<br>
+I am quite delighted to see people are eager to do the work, but I think<br>
+we should first have a server to host the website before discussing of<br>
+the logo. And so one. The same goes for codename, flickr account or<br>
+others. So will I am happy to see that people are doing stuff that I<br>
+will never be able to do properly, I think they need to realize that we<br>
+are not ready to get contributions yet, and so that it will take time,<br>
+and waiting can be frustrating, so please cope with us.<br>
+<br>
+- in the same idea, while it is wonderful to see that people want to<br>
+start user groups in various country, I must remind the harsh reality<br>
+that we have nothing to use yet. So there is no hurry yet. If people are<br>
+really interested, I think it would be wiser to plan a little bit more<br>
+the creation of the and try to get information on what is needed to<br>
+manage a community, by reading books like &quot;The opensource way&quot;, or &quot;the<br>
+art of community&quot;. I have plenty of ressources on the subject for those<br>
+that want it, and I think it can take some time to digest.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+and, as a more personal note, please do not register every possible<br>
+variation of the domain name. One of the few problems we faced while<br>
+searching for a name was that a good part of all names were already<br>
+used. And we painfully discovered that good names are a scarce<br>
+ressource. So in order to be good netizens, I think we should act<br>
+responsibly, and let others people use names even if not related to the<br>
+project.<br>
+<br>
+Now, I must be clea, I do not ask to people to stop all discussions, far<br>
+from it. You can discuss everything you want, but I would like to remind<br>
+everybody to think a little bit of those that will read all the emails<br>
+( like me ), and how much time this will cost to them. If I spend 1<br>
+minute on every mail since the start ( as I need to get them from the<br>
+web interface ), and since there was 520 mails in 2 days, this make 8<br>
+hours to read everything properly ( without counting the 15 mails that<br>
+appeared in the mean time.<br>
+<br>
+And while I will be reading this, I will not be setting the<br>
+infrastructure or anything.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for reading my boring mail and I hope to be back on you soon with<br>
+more interesting news.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Thanks Michael,<br><br>Understanding for your explanation.<br>But there is one issue which brought up a question.<br>You are writing &quot;launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago&quot;.<br>Am i misunderstanding, or did i think the plans just were born some days (weeks at the most) ago?<br>
+<br>isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+First, let me present myself. My name is Michael Scherer, and for those<br>
+that do not already know me, I am a member of the Mandriva packaging<br>
+community, and one of the 4 <a href="http://zarb.org" target="_blank">zarb.org</a> admins. I am also involved in the<br>
+launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago.<br>
+<br>
+I just went back from FUDCON 2010 Zurich yesterday evening and I have<br>
+been quite overhelmed by the amount of discussion that is going on at<br>
+the moment, and I must confess that I feel more than stressed by<br>
+everything that is going on, to the point I still didn&#39;t connect to irc<br>
+yet.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, we are all happy of the tremendous support of the community,<br>
+but more than 500 messages in 2 days is a little bit too much for me to<br>
+digest, and so I would like to share a few points :<br>
+<br>
+- please try to avoid sending emails like &quot;i would like to help to<br>
+$FOO&quot;. While we are quite happy to see such mails, they are not very<br>
+helpful at the moment since we have to sort everything, and we cannot<br>
+accept help on $FOO yet. We have started to think about how we can<br>
+manage this, and we will likely soon setup a temporary wiki so people<br>
+can add their name ( likely tomorrow, once we have sorted the really<br>
+urgent stuff ), but in the mean time, I think people should wait a<br>
+little. I would also like to remind you that you can also wait for us to<br>
+ask for help, ie once we will need it. Let&#39;s say someone want to<br>
+translate the distribution in french. If you want to do it, do not say<br>
+&quot;I want to translate&quot;. Just wait until we have something to translate<br>
+when we will ask for help, and then sent the email. Or add your name on<br>
+the wiki once it will be set up and announced. By acting this way, we<br>
+will be more efficient as we will not have to search back in the<br>
+archives to see who offered what, and have less mails to read<br>
+( especially when we are very very busy ).<br>
+<br>
+- please try to not start long discussions about technical details<br>
+( like the thread about kernel-libre, about server component ). While of<br>
+course we need to have technical discussions as every technical project,<br>
+I must remind everybody that we do have any kind of infrastructure for<br>
+the moment, so this is a little bit early to start. And discussing it<br>
+now when we have nothing to commit or anything is IMHO distracting us<br>
+from our priorities, and a source of future frustration for people, as<br>
+we shouldn&#39;t make any decision in a hurry.<br>
+<br>
+- please do not forget there is some priorities in setting up. As<br>
+someone who boast of having non existant skills in website on his blog,<br>
+I am quite delighted to see people are eager to do the work, but I think<br>
+we should first have a server to host the website before discussing of<br>
+the logo. And so one. The same goes for codename, flickr account or<br>
+others. So will I am happy to see that people are doing stuff that I<br>
+will never be able to do properly, I think they need to realize that we<br>
+are not ready to get contributions yet, and so that it will take time,<br>
+and waiting can be frustrating, so please cope with us.<br>
+<br>
+- in the same idea, while it is wonderful to see that people want to<br>
+start user groups in various country, I must remind the harsh reality<br>
+that we have nothing to use yet. So there is no hurry yet. If people are<br>
+really interested, I think it would be wiser to plan a little bit more<br>
+the creation of the and try to get information on what is needed to<br>
+manage a community, by reading books like &quot;The opensource way&quot;, or &quot;the<br>
+art of community&quot;. I have plenty of ressources on the subject for those<br>
+that want it, and I think it can take some time to digest.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+and, as a more personal note, please do not register every possible<br>
+variation of the domain name. One of the few problems we faced while<br>
+searching for a name was that a good part of all names were already<br>
+used. And we painfully discovered that good names are a scarce<br>
+ressource. So in order to be good netizens, I think we should act<br>
+responsibly, and let others people use names even if not related to the<br>
+project.<br>
+<br>
+Now, I must be clea, I do not ask to people to stop all discussions, far<br>
+from it. You can discuss everything you want, but I would like to remind<br>
+everybody to think a little bit of those that will read all the emails<br>
+( like me ), and how much time this will cost to them. If I spend 1<br>
+minute on every mail since the start ( as I need to get them from the<br>
+web interface ), and since there was 520 mails in 2 days, this make 8<br>
+hours to read everything properly ( without counting the 15 mails that<br>
+appeared in the mean time.<br>
+<br>
+And while I will be reading this, I will not be setting the<br>
+infrastructure or anything.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for reading my boring mail and I hope to be back on you soon with<br>
+more interesting news.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>