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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+ <I>Sat Jun 23 00:38:11 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 06/22/2012 11:48 PM, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 15:36:15 schreef Gary Montalbine:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have an LCD monitor. This old man is strictly a user. I was hoping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that someone that was using an HP in Mageia with good results might
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provide a model number. I am completely lost by all the technical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> specifications listed for each printer. My needs are simple. I want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be able to use it as a copier and most important, is color printing that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> matches within reason the colors on my monitor. My current printer is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not mageia compatible. Monitor color calibration will not correct it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Help appreciated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> consider this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> most printer/scanner/copiers, have a copy button that works without any
+</I>&gt;<i> computer attached.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> to find out if the printer or computer is not at fault, you can just copy a
+</I>&gt;<i> page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then as a second test, scan the same page using computer, and look at
+</I>&gt;<i> difference, then print it out again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> with these 3, you can see that there can be alot of difference. even for normal
+</I>&gt;<i> users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but most likely will the copied page and the scanned and printed out one will
+</I>&gt;<i> look the same.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm guessing the monitor is the most likely the one to be wrong in showing the
+</I>&gt;<i> color, it's also the most difficult one to get right. I've never been able to do
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There is a background problem here: there is no _good_ color, or there is none
+of your devices that is the _right_ one.
+At most, you can calibrate your monitor to show the same that will be printed
+on your printer, but none guarantees you that it is the _true_ color.
+
+To do that, you have first to be sure that your printer prints ok. For that, you
+can just get a professional industry-printed color chart, like Pantone, and
+a digital version, and try to print that and compare. Missing Pantone, you
+can try with the Macbeth Color Chart:
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_chart">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_chart</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.ae5d.com/macbeth.html">http://www.ae5d.com/macbeth.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.babelcolor.com/main_level/ColorChecker.htm">http://www.babelcolor.com/main_level/ColorChecker.htm</A>
+
+or just google for it. But to compare you need one you don't have printed
+yourself.
+
+And once your printer is calibrated, start working with your monitor and
+your scanner...
+
+Color calibration is not an easy subject. I have not checked Linux nowadays,
+but in the past Macs were the best for color calibrated works.
+
+Theoretically, if you set your profiles for your printer and monitor from
+a database (if you are lucky and your models are there), you should automagically
+see what you print, and even get the same printings on two printers with
+different profiles.
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
+
+
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+On 06/22/2012 05:36 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 15:36 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have an LCD monitor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> they still need to be calibrated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This old man is strictly a user. I was hoping
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that someone that was using an HP in Mageia with good results might
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provide a model number.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A google search shows lots of people, including people happy with the HP
+</I>&gt;<i> Photosmart Plus B209a.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My needs are simple. I want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be able to use it as a copier and most important, is color printing that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> matches within reason the colors on my monitor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to calibrate the monitor properly, so that it displays the
+</I>&gt;<i> colours that will print.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you use the printer as a copier, do the colours come out different
+</I>&gt;<i> from the original?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Without saying in much more detail what problems you are having, we are
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to use telepathy to read your mind and guess, and it's not
+</I>&gt;<i> working ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My current printer is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not mageia compatible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This appears not to be correct - other people are using the same printer
+</I>&gt;<i> with Mageia Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Monitor color calibration will not correct it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why do you say this? You may be right, but without knowing what is not
+</I>&gt;<i> work,ing we can't help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some possible problems you might be having:
+</I>&gt;<i> * you scan an image and the reds come out as blue, and the blues come
+</I>&gt;<i> out as red.
+</I>&gt;<i> * you scan an image and the resolution is too low
+</I>&gt;<i> * you can't scan an image at all
+</I>&gt;<i> * you print and it comes out in black and white, not colour
+</I>&gt;<i> * you are printing on office paper and the output is too dark
+</I>&gt;<i> * you are printing on photopaper and the result is too light
+</I>&gt;<i> * colours are too saturated when you print
+</I>&gt;<i> * colours are too light when you print
+</I>&gt;<i> * you can't print a full-page image
+</I>&gt;<i> * when you press the copy button on the printer, the upstairs toilet
+</I>&gt;<i> flushes.
+</I>
+The outhouse is too far away when it rains.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does the printer work OK on OS X or Windows? If so, with which colour
+</I>&gt;<i> profile?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Come on, give us a clue :-)
+</I>
+Look here:
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
+
+Gary
+
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+<PRE>On Friday 22 June 2012 21:23, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+&gt;<i> You can buy an &quot;open source&quot; calibrator called the colourhug (or might
+</I>&gt;<i> be colorhug) to do this.
+</I>
+Which can be found here: <A HREF="http://www.hughski.com/">http://www.hughski.com/</A>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 19:23 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Look here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
+</I>
+Thank you, that's more specific and helpful.
+
+There I see,
+
+[[
+Gary Montalbine 2012-01-21 14:00:46 CET
+I have tried Angelo's packages and they have cured the problem.
+Thanks Angelo.
+Gary
+
+]]
+
+So is there still a problem? Is the problem that Angelo's fixes didn't
+make it into mga2?
+
+
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+On 06/22/2012 07:33 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 19:23 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Look here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you, that's more specific and helpful.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There I see,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [[
+</I>&gt;<i> Gary Montalbine 2012-01-21 14:00:46 CET
+</I>&gt;<i> I have tried Angelo's packages and they have cured the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Angelo.
+</I>&gt;<i> Gary
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ]]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So is there still a problem? Is the problem that Angelo's fixes didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> make it into mga2?
+</I>
+Angelo's fixes made the color much better. The print was still slightly
+darker but usable. Print quality has gradually decreased since then and
+is beyond my technical capability or desire to correct. It is time to
+get a new printer. My printer is not on this list:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP">http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP</A>
+
+I was simply asking for a recommendation on an HP printer that users
+have found worked well in Mageia.
+
+Gary
+
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+On 06/22/2012 08:01 PM, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 06/22/2012 07:33 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 19:23 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Look here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thank you, that's more specific and helpful.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There I see,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [[
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gary Montalbine 2012-01-21 14:00:46 CET
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have tried Angelo's packages and they have cured the problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks Angelo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ]]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So is there still a problem? Is the problem that Angelo's fixes didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make it into mga2?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo's fixes made the color much better. The print was still slightly
+</I>&gt;<i> darker but usable. Print quality has gradually decreased since then and
+</I>&gt;<i> is beyond my technical capability or desire to correct. It is time to
+</I>&gt;<i> get a new printer. My printer is not on this list:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP">http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was simply asking for a recommendation on an HP printer that users
+</I>&gt;<i> have found worked well in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gary
+</I>P.S. I want to thank everyone for their help in trying to fix my
+printer. However it has been a problem ever since I switched to mageia
+and it is time to move on to a new one.
+Thanks, Gary
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am trying Mageia 2 with Ubuntu. Everything is fine but when I
+</I>&gt;<i> installed Ubuntu 12.04 I can't boot into Mageia 2? It throws kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> panic error. It seems like the old bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/779213">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/779213</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any suggestion?
+</I>
+I did with trio boot of Windows 7, Mageia 2 and Ubuntu. I did it
+successfully by boot it from second IDE hard drive.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> Angelo's fixes made the color much better. The print was still slightly
+</I>&gt;<i> darker but usable. Print quality has gradually decreased since then and
+</I>&gt;<i> is beyond my technical capability or desire to correct.
+</I>
+OK, thanks, this is new information for those of us who had been unaware
+of the bugzill history :)
+
+
+&gt;<i> It is time to
+</I>&gt;<i> get a new printer.
+</I>
+This may be a question best asked on the forums. But to avoid other
+people getting confused about the problem, start out with, &quot;I'm looking
+to replace my old HP printer. Is there an all-in-one HP printer people
+would recommend for use with the new Mageia 2 release?&quot;
+
+(I don't have an answer since I don't currently have an HP printer here)
+
+Liam
+
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+Linux User &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bootinglinux at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 06/22/2012 10:59 PM, Claire Robinson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 22/06/12 19:35, Linux User wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am trying Mageia 2 with Ubuntu. Everything is fine but when I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; installed Ubuntu 12.04 I can't boot into Mageia 2? It throws kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; panic error. It seems like the old bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/779213">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/779213</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Any suggestion?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ~ BL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There was something about this in the errata.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Installing_Mageia_next_to_a_GRUB2_based_distribution">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Installing_Mageia_next_to_a_GRUB2_based_distribution</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks. I will test that and report back.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> !DSPAM:4fe50ec8234101260715699!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ubuntu uses Grub 2. There was a statement somewhere that Mageia using
+Grub 1 can't dual boot with any distro using Grub 2.
+
+Doug.
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+Doug Laidlaw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">laidlaws at hotkey.net.au</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:41:22 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux User &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bootinglinux at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 06/22/2012 10:59 PM, Claire Robinson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On 22/06/12 19:35, Linux User wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; I am trying Mageia 2 with Ubuntu. Everything is fine but when I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; installed Ubuntu 12.04 I can't boot into Mageia 2? It throws
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; kernel panic error. It seems like the old bug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/779213">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/779213</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Any suggestion?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; ~ BL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; There was something about this in the errata.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Installing_Mageia_next_to_a_GRUB2_based_distribution">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Installing_Mageia_next_to_a_GRUB2_based_distribution</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks. I will test that and report back.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu uses Grub 2. There was a statement somewhere that Mageia using
+</I>&gt;<i> Grub 1 can't dual boot with any distro using Grub 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> !DSPAM:4fe516b5208959799860622!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just waking up. It should be possible to boot from the Ubuntu
+bootloader screen. Make that the main bootloader.
+
+HTH,
+
+Doug.
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+On 06/22/2012 08:56 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 20:01 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo's fixes made the color much better. The print was still slightly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> darker but usable. Print quality has gradually decreased since then and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is beyond my technical capability or desire to correct.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, thanks, this is new information for those of us who had been unaware
+</I>&gt;<i> of the bugzill history :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is time to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get a new printer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This may be a question best asked on the forums. But to avoid other
+</I>&gt;<i> people getting confused about the problem, start out with, &quot;I'm looking
+</I>&gt;<i> to replace my old HP printer. Is there an all-in-one HP printer people
+</I>&gt;<i> would recommend for use with the new Mageia 2 release?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I don't have an answer since I don't currently have an HP printer here)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>
+I had asked earlier on the printer forum and have had only one response
+with no recommendation. If nothing else there was good information about
+calibration presented here that should help the more technically
+inclined. My question was not a complete waste of time and space.
+
+I am looking at the HP Photosmart 6510
+
+Thanks all for your help.
+
+Gary
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+&gt;<i>Where does Mageia stand wrt security fixes? I realise these take
+</I>&gt;<i>significant people-power. As an avid follower of lwn.net, I'm used
+</I>&gt;<i>to seeing daily the record of security fixes released by various
+</I>&gt;<i>distributions. Mageia virtually never features on that list (I
+</I>&gt;<i>recall once ever). Unsure of possible explanations; lwn don't have
+</I>&gt;<i>access to what we do, our security fixes are not clearly identified
+</I>&gt;<i>as such, or alternatively Mageia is behind in this area??
+</I>
+For what it is worth... LWN does not monitor our security advisories. I
+once emailed them asking how we could be included in their weekly
+overview, but received no reply. I guess for now they consider us not
+significant enough to warrant a place in their updates advisories.
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+Or perhaps without a seperate bug fix and security fix channel, it is too
+much of a hassle for them. Who knows.
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+On 22/06/12 01:02, Paul Simon wrote:
+&gt;<i> &quot;Gary Montalbine&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gmontalbine at cox.net</A>&gt; wrote in message
+</I>&gt;<i> news:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4FE374BA.50303 at cox.net...</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/21/2012 02:51 PM, Paul Simon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Getting &quot;good color&quot; depends on what you mean by good color.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's subjective. Most color problems are due issues in color
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> management, a not easy subject. The least of if has to do with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> device calibration and profiling. I do high quality digital
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ink jet printing and it took me about five years of study and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $1500 to get it right. Your time and expense is going to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> depend on what you consider &quot;good color.&quot; Let me know if you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want more info.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I consider good color to be a close copy of what I have on my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> monitor. From past experience my printer does not work well with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia. I would like to replace it with a HP printer that does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work in mageia. Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Paul &quot;Gary Montalbine&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gmontalbine at cox.net</A>&gt; wrote in message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> news:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4FE3178F.9030502 at cox.net...</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would appreciate a recommendation for an HP printer/scanner
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that produces good color prints. I currently have a HP
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Photosmart Plus B209a that does not produce good prints.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All I can tell you at this point is that if the printer prints well
+</I>&gt;<i> with other applications there is a Magiea printer driver that is
+</I>&gt;<i> misbehaving. Buying a new printer will probably not make any
+</I>&gt;<i> difference.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Gary, is hplip installed? My HP Photosmart works well - there's no
+point in recommending it, as it is discontinued.
+
+Anne
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+On 22/06/12 19:24, AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 21 juni 2012 17:02:10 schreef Paul Simon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Gary Montalbine&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gmontalbine at cox.net</A>&gt; wrote in message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> news:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4FE374BA.50303 at cox.net...</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/21/2012 02:51 PM, Paul Simon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Getting &quot;good color&quot; depends on what you mean by good color.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's subjective. Most color problems are due issues in color
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> management, a not easy subject. The least of if has to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with device calibration and profiling. I do high quality
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> digital ink jet printing and it took me about five years of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> study and $1500 to get it right. Your time and expense is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> going to depend on what you consider &quot;good color.&quot; Let me
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> know if you want more info.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I consider good color to be a close copy of what I have on my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> monitor. From past experience my printer does not work well
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with mageia. I would like to replace it with a HP printer that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> does work in mageia. Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Paul &quot;Gary Montalbine&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gmontalbine at cox.net</A>&gt; wrote in message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> news:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4FE3178F.9030502 at cox.net...</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would appreciate a recommendation for an HP
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> printer/scanner that produces good color prints. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> currently have a HP Photosmart Plus B209a that does not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> produce good prints. Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All I can tell you at this point is that if the printer prints
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well with other applications there is a Magiea printer driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that is misbehaving. Buying a new printer will probably not make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any difference.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good luck!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Paul
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should nuance this a bit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When comparing monitor with print, it's not only the printer
+</I>&gt;<i> driver's responsibility.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> there is: - printer itself (or it's age) - ink availability -
+</I>&gt;<i> printer driver - graphic driver - monitor color calibration -
+</I>&gt;<i> monitor itself (or it's age)
+</I>+ &quot;original inks&quot; - cheaper ones will never give the best colour
+
+Anne
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+On 21/06/12 20:54, Florian Hubold wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 21.06.2012 13:11, schrieb Anne Wilson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using TBird 10.0.5, I find that using the Reply button results in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a single line containing the date and name of the contributor
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being quoted - nothing else. Sometimes, that is.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Further investigation suggests that it may be related to replying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to encrypted mail. Any ideas?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you maybe by accident mark something in the message which you
+</I>&gt;<i> want to reply to? Thunderbird only quotes the selected parts of the
+</I>&gt;<i> mail, in that case.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>On the contrary - if I select any part, that is quoted correctly. It
+is with messages without selection that quoting fails.
+
+&gt;<i> But what i see is that your PGP signature gets minimized to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> symbol you can see below your quotation in this reply ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And furthermore but maybe unrelated, thunderbird /enigmail doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> seem to be able to retrieve your public key ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hmm - I tried to download a Mageia contributor's key last week (can't
+remember whose), and that also failed. I only tried the
+TBird/Enigmail download. I assume the command-line would have worked,
+but then selecting the best keyserver can be an issue. IMO
+propagation between keyservers is not as good as it used to be.
+
+For personal reasons I'm very short of time just now, so I didn't
+investigate further.
+
+Anne
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+On 22/06/12 01:19, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:54:26 +0200 Florian Hubold
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 21.06.2012 13:11, schrieb Anne Wilson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using TBird 10.0.5, I find that using the Reply button results
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a single line containing the date and name of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contributor being quoted - nothing else. Sometimes, that is.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Further investigation suggests that it may be related to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> replying to encrypted mail. Any ideas?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Did you maybe by accident mark something in the message which you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> want to reply to? Thunderbird only quotes the selected parts of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the mail, in that case.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But what i see is that your PGP signature gets minimized to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symbol you can see below your quotation in this reply ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And furthermore but maybe unrelated, thunderbird /enigmail
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't seem to be able to retrieve your public key ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't used Thunderbird, and I haven't had occasion to notice
+</I>&gt;<i> this issue, but if I understand it correctly, it makes a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> sense. The alternative to-be-expected result means that text which
+</I>&gt;<i> was originally encrypted becomes unencrypted when quoted, and
+</I>&gt;<i> remains unencrypted thereafter, perhaps repeated through a long
+</I>&gt;<i> thread. That wasn't what the originator wanted. Whether it does
+</I>&gt;<i> any harm depends on the content. For those who use encryption for
+</I>&gt;<i> casual correspondence, it doesn't. Spies or Government departments
+</I>&gt;<i> would need to keep the privacy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No. The behaviour previously encountered is that my key decrypts the
+message, which displays decrypted when quoted, and is re-encrypted
+when I reply to my colleague. This may be a TBird 13 bug. I have
+been replying to him without problems in TBird under Cauldron for
+several weeks before I saw this. When I wrote the bug report I
+assumed it was a difference between M2 and Cauldron, but now I'm
+seeing the same problem here (netbook running Cauldron).
+
+Anne
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+On 23/06/12 08:43, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 22/06/12 01:19, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:54:26 +0200 Florian Hubold
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 21.06.2012 13:11, schrieb Anne Wilson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using TBird 10.0.5, I find that using the Reply button
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> results in a single line containing the date and name of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contributor being quoted - nothing else. Sometimes, that is.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Further investigation suggests that it may be related to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> replying to encrypted mail. Any ideas?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did you maybe by accident mark something in the message which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> you want to reply to? Thunderbird only quotes the selected
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> parts of the mail, in that case.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But what i see is that your PGP signature gets minimized to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symbol you can see below your quotation in this reply ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And furthermore but maybe unrelated, thunderbird /enigmail
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't seem to be able to retrieve your public key ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't used Thunderbird, and I haven't had occasion to notice
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this issue, but if I understand it correctly, it makes a lot of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sense. The alternative to-be-expected result means that text
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which was originally encrypted becomes unencrypted when quoted,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and remains unencrypted thereafter, perhaps repeated through a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long thread. That wasn't what the originator wanted. Whether it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> does any harm depends on the content. For those who use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> encryption for casual correspondence, it doesn't. Spies or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Government departments would need to keep the privacy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No. The behaviour previously encountered is that my key decrypts
+</I>&gt;<i> the message, which displays decrypted when quoted, and is
+</I>&gt;<i> re-encrypted when I reply to my colleague. This may be a TBird 13
+</I>&gt;<i> bug. I have been replying to him without problems in TBird under
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron for several weeks before I saw this. When I wrote the bug
+</I>&gt;<i> report I assumed it was a difference between M2 and Cauldron, but
+</I>&gt;<i> now I'm seeing the same problem here (netbook running Cauldron).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Can't be the version of TBird, of course, as Tosh is running 10.0.5
+and netbook is 13. Sorry - caffeine starvation.
+Anne
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 06/22/2012 08:56 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 20:01 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo's fixes made the color much better. The print was still slightly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> darker but usable. Print quality has gradually decreased since then and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is beyond my technical capability or desire to correct.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, thanks, this is new information for those of us who had been unaware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the bugzill history :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is time to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get a new printer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This may be a question best asked on the forums. But to avoid other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people getting confused about the problem, start out with, &quot;I'm looking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to replace my old HP printer. Is there an all-in-one HP printer people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would recommend for use with the new Mageia 2 release?&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I don't have an answer since I don't currently have an HP printer here)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had asked earlier on the printer forum and have had only one
+</I>&gt;<i> response with no recommendation. If nothing else there was good
+</I>&gt;<i> information about calibration presented here that should help the more
+</I>&gt;<i> technically inclined. My question was not a complete waste of time and
+</I>&gt;<i> space.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am looking at the HP Photosmart 6510
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks all for your help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gary
+</I>Coming in late on this because I wanted to try photoprinting again on my
+HP Deskjet 6520. Set up a queue and tried commandline printing and got
+nowhere. Gqview simple gave up and stopped the job but supplied a huge
+pile of diagnostics with the summary &quot;There's no answer to this!&quot; or
+similar words. Installed gwenview and managed to print a jpeg file
+without any difficulty. It came out a bit dark but the colour balance
+looked OK. A bit of twiddling with the gamma would help (used
+judiciously so as not to distort the colours).
+
+For ten years or more I have used command-line printing without much
+trouble but of late it seems that CUPS or HPLIP or both ignore
+command-line options like position and scaling so I gave up on
+photoprinting. Gqview and the gimp just acted as a wrapper for the lpr
+command and suffered from the same problems with sizing and positioning.
+
+Will try gwenview on my Photosmart Premium C310. Photocopies look fine,
+with a bit of a shift in the colour brightness (hue?), as usual towards
+the darker side so I would expect photo printing to be similar.
+
+I had an HP7260 at one time and that had no difficulty with lpr. All it
+needed was the options for orientation and scaling (100% by default,
+full page to the margins). Centring was center by default and I did not
+mess with that.
+
+Len
+
+
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+&gt;<i> I would appreciate a recommendation for an HP printer/scanner that
+</I>&gt;<i> produces good color prints. I currently have a HP Photosmart Plus B209a
+</I>&gt;<i> that does not produce good prints.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I use an Office jet 6110, and it produces prints *I* like. The
+cartridges are easy to refill if you want to go that way, too.
+
+However, about the only place you'll find one of these aging
+monstrosities would be on eBay. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
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+&gt;<i> On 23/06/12 03:01, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/22/2012 08:56 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 20:01 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo's fixes made the color much better. The print was still slightly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> darker but usable. Print quality has gradually decreased since then and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is beyond my technical capability or desire to correct.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, thanks, this is new information for those of us who had been unaware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the bugzill history :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is time to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get a new printer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This may be a question best asked on the forums. But to avoid other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> people getting confused about the problem, start out with, &quot;I'm looking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to replace my old HP printer. Is there an all-in-one HP printer people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would recommend for use with the new Mageia 2 release?&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (I don't have an answer since I don't currently have an HP printer here)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had asked earlier on the printer forum and have had only one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> response with no recommendation. If nothing else there was good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information about calibration presented here that should help the more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> technically inclined. My question was not a complete waste of time and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> space.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am looking at the HP Photosmart 6510
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks all for your help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gary
+</I>&gt;<i> Coming in late on this because I wanted to try photoprinting again on my
+</I>&gt;<i> HP Deskjet 6520. Set up a queue and tried commandline printing and got
+</I>&gt;<i> nowhere. Gqview simple gave up and stopped the job but supplied a huge
+</I>&gt;<i> pile of diagnostics with the summary &quot;There's no answer to this!&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> similar words. Installed gwenview and managed to print a jpeg file
+</I>&gt;<i> without any difficulty. It came out a bit dark but the colour balance
+</I>&gt;<i> looked OK. A bit of twiddling with the gamma would help (used
+</I>&gt;<i> judiciously so as not to distort the colours).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For ten years or more I have used command-line printing without much
+</I>&gt;<i> trouble but of late it seems that CUPS or HPLIP or both ignore
+</I>&gt;<i> command-line options like position and scaling so I gave up on
+</I>&gt;<i> photoprinting. Gqview and the gimp just acted as a wrapper for the lpr
+</I>&gt;<i> command and suffered from the same problems with sizing and positioning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will try gwenview on my Photosmart Premium C310. Photocopies look fine,
+</I>&gt;<i> with a bit of a shift in the colour brightness (hue?), as usual towards
+</I>&gt;<i> the darker side so I would expect photo printing to be similar.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had an HP7260 at one time and that had no difficulty with lpr. All it
+</I>&gt;<i> needed was the options for orientation and scaling (100% by default,
+</I>&gt;<i> full page to the margins). Centring was center by default and I did not
+</I>&gt;<i> mess with that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Len
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've had what looks to my untrained eye like decent success printing
+from The GIMP on my Officejet 6110 - and my Deskjet 5650.
+
+TJ
+
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+&gt;<i> On 06/23/2012 06:10 AM, Len Lawrence wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 23/06/12 03:01, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 06/22/2012 08:56 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 20:01 -0400, Gary Montalbine wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo's fixes made the color much better. The print was still
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> slightly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> darker but usable. Print quality has gradually decreased since
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is beyond my technical capability or desire to correct.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, thanks, this is new information for those of us who had been
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unaware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the bugzill history :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is time to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get a new printer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This may be a question best asked on the forums. But to avoid other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> people getting confused about the problem, start out with, &quot;I'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> looking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to replace my old HP printer. Is there an all-in-one HP printer people
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would recommend for use with the new Mageia 2 release?&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (I don't have an answer since I don't currently have an HP printer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> here)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I had asked earlier on the printer forum and have had only one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> response with no recommendation. If nothing else there was good
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> information about calibration presented here that should help the more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> technically inclined. My question was not a complete waste of time and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> space.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am looking at the HP Photosmart 6510
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks all for your help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Gary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Coming in late on this because I wanted to try photoprinting again on my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> HP Deskjet 6520. Set up a queue and tried commandline printing and got
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nowhere. Gqview simple gave up and stopped the job but supplied a huge
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pile of diagnostics with the summary &quot;There's no answer to this!&quot; or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> similar words. Installed gwenview and managed to print a jpeg file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without any difficulty. It came out a bit dark but the colour balance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looked OK. A bit of twiddling with the gamma would help (used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> judiciously so as not to distort the colours).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For ten years or more I have used command-line printing without much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trouble but of late it seems that CUPS or HPLIP or both ignore
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> command-line options like position and scaling so I gave up on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> photoprinting. Gqview and the gimp just acted as a wrapper for the lpr
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> command and suffered from the same problems with sizing and positioning.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Will try gwenview on my Photosmart Premium C310. Photocopies look fine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with a bit of a shift in the colour brightness (hue?), as usual towards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the darker side so I would expect photo printing to be similar.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had an HP7260 at one time and that had no difficulty with lpr. All it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed was the options for orientation and scaling (100% by default,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> full page to the margins). Centring was center by default and I did not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mess with that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Len
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've had what looks to my untrained eye like decent success printing
+</I>&gt;<i> from The GIMP on my Officejet 6110 - and my Deskjet 5650.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TJ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Prints come out fine on the C310 with Gwenview. Initially the B209
+driver was all that was available for it, producing rather poor prints.
+
+Len
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+On 06/22/2012 06:38 PM, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 06/22/2012 11:48 PM, AL13N wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 22 juni 2012 15:36:15 schreef Gary Montalbine:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have an LCD monitor. This old man is strictly a user. I was hoping
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that someone that was using an HP in Mageia with good results might
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> provide a model number. I am completely lost by all the technical
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> specifications listed for each printer. My needs are simple. I want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be able to use it as a copier and most important, is color printing that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> matches within reason the colors on my monitor. My current printer is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not mageia compatible. Monitor color calibration will not correct it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Help appreciated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks, Gary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consider this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most printer/scanner/copiers, have a copy button that works without any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> computer attached.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to find out if the printer or computer is not at fault, you can just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> copy a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> page.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then as a second test, scan the same page using computer, and look at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> difference, then print it out again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with these 3, you can see that there can be alot of difference. even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for normal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but most likely will the copied page and the scanned and printed out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> look the same.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i'm guessing the monitor is the most likely the one to be wrong in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> showing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> color, it's also the most difficult one to get right. I've never been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> able to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a background problem here: there is no _good_ color, or there
+</I>&gt;<i> is none
+</I>&gt;<i> of your devices that is the _right_ one.
+</I>&gt;<i> At most, you can calibrate your monitor to show the same that will be
+</I>&gt;<i> printed
+</I>&gt;<i> on your printer, but none guarantees you that it is the _true_ color.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To do that, you have first to be sure that your printer prints ok. For
+</I>&gt;<i> that, you
+</I>&gt;<i> can just get a professional industry-printed color chart, like Pantone, and
+</I>&gt;<i> a digital version, and try to print that and compare. Missing Pantone, you
+</I>&gt;<i> can try with the Macbeth Color Chart:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_chart">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_chart</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ae5d.com/macbeth.html">http://www.ae5d.com/macbeth.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.babelcolor.com/main_level/ColorChecker.htm">http://www.babelcolor.com/main_level/ColorChecker.htm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or just google for it. But to compare you need one you don't have printed
+</I>&gt;<i> yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And once your printer is calibrated, start working with your monitor and
+</I>&gt;<i> your scanner...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Color calibration is not an easy subject. I have not checked Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> nowadays,
+</I>&gt;<i> but in the past Macs were the best for color calibrated works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Theoretically, if you set your profiles for your printer and monitor from
+</I>&gt;<i> a database (if you are lucky and your models are there), you should
+</I>&gt;<i> automagically
+</I>&gt;<i> see what you print, and even get the same printings on two printers with
+</I>&gt;<i> different profiles.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I copied a color photo on my printer. The printed copy was darker in the
+red areas and slightly lighter in the yellow green area. A scan into
+gimp showed a slight darker red than the original. The specs for the
+printer indicate there is no color calibration available. In fact a
+check of other Hp printers also shows no color calibration avail.
+Thanks, Gary
+
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+ <h1>23 June 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Jun 23 00:38:11 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jun 23 16:25:49 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 22<p>
+ <ul>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="007982.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340404691-01340461549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008003.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="8003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340407396- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007983.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340407396-01340408009- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007985.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01340407396-01340408009-01340409711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007986.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01340407396-01340408009-01340409711-01340410166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007987.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340407396-01340408009-01340409711-01340413009- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007989.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340407396-01340408009-01340409711-01340413009-01340416861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007992.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gary Montalbine
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340407396-01340408009-01340409711-01340413009-01340416861-01340446243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007999.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340407396-01340408009-01340409711-01340413009-01340416861-01340446243-01340456847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008001.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="8001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01340407396-01340408009-01340409711-01340413009-01340416861-01340446243-01340456847-01340458787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008002.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="8002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340407873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007984.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340410066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Can't Dual Boot With Ubuntu
+</A><A NAME="7988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Louie Pham
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340413402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007990.html">[Mageia-discuss] Can't Dual Boot With Ubuntu
+</A><A NAME="7990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340413402-01340413850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007991.html">[Mageia-discuss] Can't Dual Boot With Ubuntu
+</A><A NAME="7991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340423349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007993.html">[Mageia-discuss] security fixes
+</A><A NAME="7993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340436019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007994.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340436080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007995.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="7995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340437147- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thunderbird quoting problem
+</A><A NAME="7996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01340437439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thunderbird quoting problem
+</A><A NAME="7997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01340437439-01340439015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thunderbird quoting problem
+</A><A NAME="7998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01340456659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008000.html">[Mageia-discuss] HP Printer
+</A><A NAME="8000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Jun 23 16:25:49 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Jun 23 16:25:55 CEST 2012</i>
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