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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 05/06/2012 02:23 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+&gt;<i> Some of my mga2 boxes are recording lines like this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> May 5 08:42:38 Cedar1 kernel: [2420746.469695] ll header:
+</I>&gt;<i> 00:11:09:01:8f:2b:00:18:4d:9d:dc:39:08:00
+</I>&gt;<i> May 5 08:42:38 Cedar1 kernel: [2420746.470060] martian source
+</I>&gt;<i> 173.194.74.154 from 192.168.3.2, on dev eth0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know about 'martian', but those IPs are indeed unfamiliar and
+</I>&gt;<i> not anything I'm aware of. Any idea what is causing this and if it is
+</I>&gt;<i> something to be concerned about?
+</I>Martians are IP packets which have a source or destination IP address
+that is in one of the &quot;internal&quot; ranges that are defined only for
+private network use, such as 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x.
+
+The message is less than clear, since both IPs are identified as
+&quot;source&quot; or &quot;from&quot;, which leaves you guessing as to which was the source
+and which was the target, but the 192,168.3.2 address is the culprit.
+
+Either you're sending the packet, in which case you have a problem that
+needs to be addressed, or someone else is in which case you can ignore
+the message.
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+ <B>imnotpc</B>
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+&gt;<i> On 05/06/2012 02:23 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some of my mga2 boxes are recording lines like this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> May 5 08:42:38 Cedar1 kernel: [2420746.469695] ll header:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 00:11:09:01:8f:2b:00:18:4d:9d:dc:39:08:00
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> May 5 08:42:38 Cedar1 kernel: [2420746.470060] martian source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 173.194.74.154 from 192.168.3.2, on dev eth0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know about 'martian', but those IPs are indeed unfamiliar and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not anything I'm aware of. Any idea what is causing this and if it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something to be concerned about?
+</I>&gt;<i> Martians are IP packets which have a source or destination IP address
+</I>&gt;<i> that is in one of the &quot;internal&quot; ranges that are defined only for
+</I>&gt;<i> private network use, such as 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The message is less than clear, since both IPs are identified as
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;source&quot; or &quot;from&quot;, which leaves you guessing as to which was the
+</I>&gt;<i> source and which was the target, but the 192,168.3.2 address is the
+</I>&gt;<i> culprit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Either you're sending the packet, in which case you have a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> that needs to be addressed, or someone else is in which case you can
+</I>&gt;<i> ignore the message.
+</I>
+My thanks to you, Maarten, and Doug for replying. I knew that packets in
+private subnets are never forwarded by routers, one of the basic
+security features of the IPV4 system. I had never heard them referred to
+as martian before, but the name makes sense. Based on the destination of
+the packets (Google, Facebook), my assumption is that these are not
+malicious, and based on my knowledge of my network, I believe these are
+originating from the wireless hosts as Doug indicated. I guess the only
+part I still don't understand is how these packets are reaching the
+kernel of the gateway through NAT and firewalls? Perhaps there is
+something I don't understand about how IP traffic moves between hosts.
+
+Jeff
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 05/06/2012 06:57 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My thanks to you, Maarten, and Doug for replying. I knew that packets
+</I>&gt;<i> in private subnets are never forwarded by routers, one of the basic
+</I>&gt;<i> security features of the IPV4 system. I had never heard them referred
+</I>&gt;<i> to as martian before, but the name makes sense. Based on the
+</I>&gt;<i> destination of the packets (Google, Facebook), my assumption is that
+</I>&gt;<i> these are not malicious, and based on my knowledge of my network, I
+</I>&gt;<i> believe these are originating from the wireless hosts as Doug
+</I>&gt;<i> indicated. I guess the only part I still don't understand is how these
+</I>&gt;<i> packets are reaching the kernel of the gateway through NAT and
+</I>&gt;<i> firewalls? Perhaps there is something I don't understand about how IP
+</I>&gt;<i> traffic moves between hosts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The basic idea of a gateway is that you have two NICs, one (say eth1)
+connected to the same switch to which all your other wired hosts are
+connected, and using an IP address of something internal, say
+192.168.1.1. The other NIC (say eth0) is connected to your external
+internet. Your routing table should indicate that any traffic for a
+192.168.1.x address should go out eth1, and any traffic for something
+other than 192,168.1.x should go out eth0. And you have NAT enabled for
+anything going out eth0 so that your internal addresses get translated
+to the external IP address assigned by your ISP as they pass through the
+gateway.
+
+This assumes that you're using a PC as a gateway. Your router should
+play no part with the wired connections --- it and all the other wired
+hosts should be plugged into the switch, i. e. you shouldn't be using
+the inbound wired jacks on the router at all. The wireless goes into
+the router, but beyond that plays on an equal level with the wired guys
+all going into the gateway PC.
+
+The problem you describe most likely results from trying to use the
+router as the gateway in conjunction with the switch. You've got the
+wired guys coming through the switch and participating in NAT and the
+wireless guys coming into the router directly, and somehow bypassing NAT.
+
+You mention the &quot;gateway kernel&quot;, so I'm guessing that you are using a
+gateway PC rather than a gateway router. If you are using a 192.168.3.x
+subnet, then your gateway is NAT'ing some hosts and not others.
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+can later be added to a kill file ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
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+ -- Winston S. Churchill
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+&gt;<i> On 05/06/2012 06:57 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My thanks to you, Maarten, and Doug for replying. I knew that packets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in private subnets are never forwarded by routers, one of the basic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> security features of the IPV4 system. I had never heard them referred
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to as martian before, but the name makes sense. Based on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> destination of the packets (Google, Facebook), my assumption is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these are not malicious, and based on my knowledge of my network, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> believe these are originating from the wireless hosts as Doug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> indicated. I guess the only part I still don't understand is how
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these packets are reaching the kernel of the gateway through NAT and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firewalls? Perhaps there is something I don't understand about how IP
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> traffic moves between hosts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The basic idea of a gateway is that you have two NICs, one (say eth1)
+</I>&gt;<i> connected to the same switch to which all your other wired hosts are
+</I>&gt;<i> connected, and using an IP address of something internal, say
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.1.1. The other NIC (say eth0) is connected to your external
+</I>&gt;<i> internet. Your routing table should indicate that any traffic for a
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.1.x address should go out eth1, and any traffic for something
+</I>&gt;<i> other than 192,168.1.x should go out eth0. And you have NAT enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> for anything going out eth0 so that your internal addresses get
+</I>&gt;<i> translated to the external IP address assigned by your ISP as they
+</I>&gt;<i> pass through the gateway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This assumes that you're using a PC as a gateway. Your router should
+</I>&gt;<i> play no part with the wired connections --- it and all the other wired
+</I>&gt;<i> hosts should be plugged into the switch, i. e. you shouldn't be using
+</I>&gt;<i> the inbound wired jacks on the router at all. The wireless goes into
+</I>&gt;<i> the router, but beyond that plays on an equal level with the wired
+</I>&gt;<i> guys all going into the gateway PC.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem you describe most likely results from trying to use the
+</I>&gt;<i> router as the gateway in conjunction with the switch. You've got the
+</I>&gt;<i> wired guys coming through the switch and participating in NAT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> wireless guys coming into the router directly, and somehow bypassing NAT.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mention the &quot;gateway kernel&quot;, so I'm guessing that you are using a
+</I>&gt;<i> gateway PC rather than a gateway router. If you are using a
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.3.x subnet, then your gateway is NAT'ing some hosts and not
+</I>&gt;<i> others.
+</I>
+I apologize that I didn't give more detail when I started this thread,
+but this has become more involved/detailed discussion than I envisioned.
+Let me give you the topography of my network as best as I can describe:
+
+Firewall/Gateway: Mga2 box with 3 NICs which forwards traffic from the
+DMZ and the LAN to the Internet and back. The Internet facing NIC has a
+public IP. The DMZ is a private subnet with all fixed IPs. The LAN
+subnet also has all fixed IPs in the 192.168.0.0/24 range. Iptables
+firewall logs and drops all traffic that doesn't originate from these
+subnets.
+
+LAN: All the LAN hosts have fixed IPs IN the 192.168.0.0/24 range. Linux
+host firewalls block all outgoing traffic that doesn't originate from
+the assigned IP address. Windows/other hosts do whatever they do.
+
+Wireless Router Attached to the LAN: The LAN facing NIC on the wireless
+router has a fixed IP of 192.168.0.100. The wireless interface is
+configured to assign IPs in the 192.168.2.0/24 range to the wireless
+hosts using DHCP.
+
+Wireless Hosts: Connect to wireless router via DHCP. I believe these
+hosts are generating the martian packets.
+
+I understand the the wireless host may identify themselves using other
+IPs due to other connection/configuration issues, but I can't understand
+how the kernel on the Mga2 gateway is ever able to see packets
+originating from 192.168.3.2 or any other unauthorized subnet. This is
+my major concern since it may indicate an error in my LAN configuration.
+
+Jeff
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+&gt;<i> On 04/29/2012 11:05 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/27/2012 02:28 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lsmod | grep atl didn't get any hits and lsmod | grep b43 gives this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unless it uses a different name I don't think my laptop uses the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> atl1c driver. I don't think it's a bug in the b43 firmware since
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that works fine once it's installed. I would guess it's a hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probe of some sort that locks up when it encounters the wireless NIC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without firmware.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sounds right. In that case, file a bug against the b43 driver for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your chipset.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bug report is here for anyone interested:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5682">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5682</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My thanks to Frank and the others who offered help. It's this kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> community support that puts Mageia ahead of the other distros and the
+</I>&gt;<i> reason I'm migrating all my systems to Mageia (even the temperamental
+</I>&gt;<i> laptops).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jeff
+</I>
+For the record, the timing issue that disrupted the safe mode boot was
+resolved with updated packages, most likely drakx-net. I've been told
+that the main problem has been resolved in the upstream 3.3.5 kernel
+which will be our release kernel.
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+&gt;<i> Is there a way to log the names of all the sites the browser connects to when
+</I>&gt;<i> viewing a page, so that all the bandwidth-wasting URLs like doubleclick.com
+</I>&gt;<i> can later be added to a kill file ?
+</I>
+The easiest way is to run Squid on your machine and point your browser to it, then check the Squid logs. You can also install sarg and/or
+squidanalyzer (currently available in Cauldron/mga2) to generate reports from your squid logs to see which sites are receiving the most
+connections and which are using the most bandwidth. Additionally, you can install squidguard and do some domain or url regex blocking.
+
+Probably the easiest thing to do, however, is to just add the Adblock Plus addon to your browser (should already be installed in Konqueror,
+easy download for Firefox) and subscribe to one of the ad-blocking lists, and it'll eliminate a lot of that stuff for you.
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+<PRE>m&#229;ndagen den 7 maj 2012 03.45.10 skrev David Walser:
+&gt;<i> Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there a way to log the names of all the sites the browser connects to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when viewing a page, so that all the bandwidth-wasting URLs like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doubleclick.com can later be added to a kill file ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The easiest way is to run Squid on your machine and point your browser to
+</I>&gt;<i> it, then check the Squid logs. You can also install sarg and/or
+</I>&gt;<i> squidanalyzer (currently available in Cauldron/mga2) to generate reports
+</I>&gt;<i> from your squid logs to see which sites are receiving the most connections
+</I>&gt;<i> and which are using the most bandwidth. Additionally, you can install
+</I>&gt;<i> squidguard and do some domain or url regex blocking.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Probably the easiest thing to do, however, is to just add the Adblock Plus
+</I>&gt;<i> addon to your browser (should already be installed in Konqueror, easy
+</I>&gt;<i> download for Firefox) and subscribe to one of the ad-blocking lists, and
+</I>&gt;<i> it'll eliminate a lot of that stuff for you.
+</I>
+I agree.
+
+I run squid as proxy (in order to lower traffic.)
+In Opera have most use of
+the blocking addon named Ghostery, and also NoAds Advanced.
+Blocking improves browsing speed and lowers traffic substantially on some sites.
+
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+As you may have seen, we are a bit late on RC isos release. QA and
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+possible. We built another set of isos last night and we hope it will be
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+<PRE>On 05/06/2012 09:15 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I apologize that I didn't give more detail when I started this thread,
+</I>&gt;<i> but this has become more involved/detailed discussion than I
+</I>&gt;<i> envisioned. Let me give you the topography of my network as best as I
+</I>&gt;<i> can describe:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Firewall/Gateway: Mga2 box with 3 NICs which forwards traffic from the
+</I>&gt;<i> DMZ and the LAN to the Internet and back. The Internet facing NIC has
+</I>&gt;<i> a public IP. The DMZ is a private subnet with all fixed IPs. The LAN
+</I>&gt;<i> subnet also has all fixed IPs in the 192.168.0.0/24 range. Iptables
+</I>&gt;<i> firewall logs and drops all traffic that doesn't originate from these
+</I>&gt;<i> subnets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LAN: All the LAN hosts have fixed IPs IN the 192.168.0.0/24 range.
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux host firewalls block all outgoing traffic that doesn't originate
+</I>&gt;<i> from the assigned IP address. Windows/other hosts do whatever they do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wireless Router Attached to the LAN: The LAN facing NIC on the
+</I>&gt;<i> wireless router has a fixed IP of 192.168.0.100. The wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> interface is configured to assign IPs in the 192.168.2.0/24 range to
+</I>&gt;<i> the wireless hosts using DHCP.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wireless Hosts: Connect to wireless router via DHCP. I believe these
+</I>&gt;<i> hosts are generating the martian packets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand the the wireless host may identify themselves using other
+</I>&gt;<i> IPs due to other connection/configuration issues, but I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> understand how the kernel on the Mga2 gateway is ever able to see
+</I>&gt;<i> packets originating from 192.168.3.2 or any other unauthorized subnet.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my major concern since it may indicate an error in my LAN
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration.
+</I>
+1) Is eth0 the interface facing the internet ?
+
+2) Is 173.194.74.154 the IP address assigned (currently) to you by your
+ISP ?
+
+3) If you ping 192.168.3.2 when you're getting the martians, do you get
+any response ?
+
+4) What does &quot;traceroute 192.168.3.2&quot; from the gateway give ?
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+<PRE>On 05/07/2012 06:45 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 05/06/2012 09:15 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I apologize that I didn't give more detail when I started this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thread, but this has become more involved/detailed discussion than I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> envisioned. Let me give you the topography of my network as best as I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can describe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Firewall/Gateway: Mga2 box with 3 NICs which forwards traffic from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the DMZ and the LAN to the Internet and back. The Internet facing NIC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has a public IP. The DMZ is a private subnet with all fixed IPs. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LAN subnet also has all fixed IPs in the 192.168.0.0/24 range.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Iptables firewall logs and drops all traffic that doesn't originate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from these subnets.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LAN: All the LAN hosts have fixed IPs IN the 192.168.0.0/24 range.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux host firewalls block all outgoing traffic that doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> originate from the assigned IP address. Windows/other hosts do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whatever they do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wireless Router Attached to the LAN: The LAN facing NIC on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wireless router has a fixed IP of 192.168.0.100. The wireless
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interface is configured to assign IPs in the 192.168.2.0/24 range to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the wireless hosts using DHCP.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wireless Hosts: Connect to wireless router via DHCP. I believe these
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hosts are generating the martian packets.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understand the the wireless host may identify themselves using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other IPs due to other connection/configuration issues, but I can't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understand how the kernel on the Mga2 gateway is ever able to see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packets originating from 192.168.3.2 or any other unauthorized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subnet. This is my major concern since it may indicate an error in my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LAN configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Is eth0 the interface facing the internet ?
+</I>
+No, this interface faces the LAN which has a 192.168.0.0/24 subnet.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Is 173.194.74.154 the IP address assigned (currently) to you by
+</I>&gt;<i> your ISP ?
+</I>
+No, that IP returns to qe-in-f154.1e100.net which appears to be a server
+owned by Google.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) If you ping 192.168.3.2 when you're getting the martians, do you
+</I>&gt;<i> get any response ?
+</I>
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Cedar1</A> /]# ping -c 5 192.168.3.2
+PING 192.168.3.2 (192.168.3.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
+
+--- 192.168.3.2 ping statistics ---
+5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3999ms
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) What does &quot;traceroute 192.168.3.2&quot; from the gateway give ?
+</I>
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Cedar1</A> /]# traceroute 192.168.3.2
+traceroute to 192.168.3.2 (192.168.3.2), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
+ 1 74-94-209-242-BusName-VA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (74.94.209.242)
+0.670 ms 1.372 ms 1.686 ms
+ 2 * * *
+ 3 * * *
+ 4 * * *
+ 5 * * *
+ 6 * * *
+ 7 * * *
+ 8 * * *
+ 9 * * *
+10 * * *
+11 * * *
+12 * * *
+13 * * *
+14 * * *
+15 * * *
+16 * * *
+17 * * *
+18 * * *
+19 * * *
+20 * * *
+21 * * *
+22 * * *
+23 * * *
+24 * * *
+25 * * *
+26 * * *
+27 * * *
+28 * * *
+29 * * *
+30 * * *
+
+Well isn't that interesting. That Comcast IP is the address of the ISP
+gateway I use. Both of my firewall/gateway boxes that are logging
+martian packets are connected to similar Comcast routers. The routers
+are configured in bridge mode so the router DHCP service has no effect
+on my connection, but it might still be active on the router. Also each
+ISP router also has a wireless interface and that could still be active.
+My firewall doesn't block any private IPs coming from the Internet
+interface since the ISP routers would never forward them, so that
+explains how they get past the firewall.
+
+I can reconfigure the firewall to block these, but now I'm wondering if
+this is a security issue and if I should try to change the ISP router
+settings. I really hate messing with router settings I haven't used
+before but I hate unauthorized access even more. Thoughts?
+
+Jeff
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 05/07/2012 06:45 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> On 05/06/2012 09:15 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) Is eth0 the interface facing the internet ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, this interface faces the LAN which has a 192.168.0.0/24 subnet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OK, so if eth0 has no outside internet access, you are correct in saying
+that something in your network is doing this.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) Is 173.194.74.154 the IP address assigned (currently) to you by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your ISP ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, that IP returns to qe-in-f154.1e100.net which appears to be a
+</I>&gt;<i> server owned by Google.
+</I>
+Yes. I thought maybe Google was your ISP.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4) What does &quot;traceroute 192.168.3.2&quot; from the gateway give ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Cedar1</A> /]# traceroute 192.168.3.2
+</I>&gt;<i> traceroute to 192.168.3.2 (192.168.3.2), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 74-94-209-242-BusName-VA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (74.94.209.242)
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.670 ms 1.372 ms 1.686 ms
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 * * *
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well isn't that interesting. That Comcast IP is the address of the ISP
+</I>&gt;<i> gateway I use. Both of my firewall/gateway boxes that are logging
+</I>&gt;<i> martian packets are connected to similar Comcast routers. The routers
+</I>&gt;<i> are configured in bridge mode so the router DHCP service has no effect
+</I>&gt;<i> on my connection, but it might still be active on the router. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> each ISP router also has a wireless interface and that could still be
+</I>&gt;<i> active. My firewall doesn't block any private IPs coming from the
+</I>&gt;<i> Internet interface since the ISP routers would never forward them, so
+</I>&gt;<i> that explains how they get past the firewall.
+</I>
+No, I think traceroute doesn't special-case internal IP addresses. Your
+routing table is (correctly) set up to route traffic for anything other
+than your known subnets to the external internet, and that's exactly
+what traceroute is doing. It's your ISP's job to discard internal
+address packets, not yours.
+
+But I think you're on to something with the ISP routers. Is there some
+reason you don't just run the cable from the cable modem to the external
+NIC on the gateway PC ? If you're willing to try that, and the martians
+disappear, it's these routers.
+
+Try going into configuration on these routers, and see what their DHCP
+servers are set up for, and whether the 192.168.3 subnet appears
+anywhere in there. It's possible that one of your DHCP-using wireless
+clients is getting an answer to its broadcast from these guys before
+your internal router, and picking up a 192.168.3.2 IP address from them.
+
+
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+&gt;<i> As a consequence, the date for final release will be a bit postponed
+</I>&gt;<i> to give us enough time to check last feedbacks from RC testers.
+</I>
+If I'm running M2B3 when the final is released shoud I update or will I need to do a fresh install of the final release. Probably sounds like
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+ <B>RICHARD WALKER</B>
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+<PRE>I would recommend you to do a fresh install as your fully updated
+beta3 is at least the same and possibly a day or three younger than
+the RC. So you already have the RC code running, but the key element
+of RC testing is &quot;end-to-end&quot; so we can be confident that all of the
+install-type issues have been fixed for everyone and that the first
+boot works as expected.
+
+If, like me, you are already happily running beta3 updated (aka RC
+plus a few hours worth of updates) you may be hoping to avoid the
+&quot;hassle&quot; of a reinstall of your lovingly customised system. You could,
+perhaps, find a small free corner of a hard drive you could install
+to, and then abandon when you have checked out the installation and
+first boot.
+
+My solution has been to rotate a small number of external usb drives
+(up to 3 at the moment, but I was greedy). The oldest started life as
+alpha2 and was maintained up to the end of beta1 when I reinstalled as
+beta2. The second one started as beta 2 and has been maintained up to
+now. The third one started life as beta3 and is still bang up-to-date.
+
+I hope you find some useful ideas in this - happy testing!
+
+Richard
+
+On 07/05/2012, Bo Grimes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">vcg3rdbo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 10:14:19AM +0200, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a consequence, the date for final release will be a bit postponed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to give us enough time to check last feedbacks from RC testers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I'm running M2B3 when the final is released shoud I update or will I need
+</I>&gt;<i> to do a fresh install of the final release. Probably sounds like
+</I>&gt;<i> a dumb question but I have never run a beta before. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Jan Ciger</B>
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+&gt;<i> I agree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I run squid as proxy (in order to lower traffic.)
+</I>&gt;<i> In Opera have most use of
+</I>&gt;<i> the blocking addon named Ghostery, and also NoAds Advanced.
+</I>&gt;<i> Blocking improves browsing speed and lowers traffic substantially on some sites.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+Privoxy is designed for this and is likely lighter than Squid as well.
+
+Regards,
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+ <B>Doug Lytle</B>
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+</I>
+I have not.
+
+Doug
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+
+--
+Ben Franklin quote:
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+ <B>RICHARD WALKER</B>
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+On 07/05/2012, Doug Lytle &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">support at drdos.info</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I seen a lot of duplicated messages today.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ben Franklin quote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary
+</I>&gt;<i> Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.&quot;
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+ <B>Jim Whitby</B>
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+<PRE>On 05/07/2012 02:20 PM, RICHARD WALKER wrote:
+&gt;<i> Nor me!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 07/05/2012, Doug Lytle&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">support at drdos.info</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I seen a lot of duplicated messages today.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ben Franklin quote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>No dups here.
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+----------------------
+Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64
+2.6.38.8-desktop-10.mga x86_64
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+<PRE>Op maandag 07 mei 2012 14:23:44 schreef Frank Griffin:
+&gt;<i> On 05/07/2012 06:45 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 05/06/2012 09:15 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1) Is eth0 the interface facing the internet ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, this interface faces the LAN which has a 192.168.0.0/24 subnet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so if eth0 has no outside internet access, you are correct in saying
+</I>&gt;<i> that something in your network is doing this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2) Is 173.194.74.154 the IP address assigned (currently) to you by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; your ISP ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, that IP returns to qe-in-f154.1e100.net which appears to be a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; server owned by Google.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. I thought maybe Google was your ISP.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 4) What does &quot;traceroute 192.168.3.2&quot; from the gateway give ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at Cedar1</A> /]# traceroute 192.168.3.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; traceroute to 192.168.3.2 (192.168.3.2), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1 74-94-209-242-BusName-VA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (74.94.209.242)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 0.670 ms 1.372 ms 1.686 ms
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2 * * *
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well isn't that interesting. That Comcast IP is the address of the ISP
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gateway I use. Both of my firewall/gateway boxes that are logging
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; martian packets are connected to similar Comcast routers. The routers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are configured in bridge mode so the router DHCP service has no effect
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on my connection, but it might still be active on the router. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; each ISP router also has a wireless interface and that could still be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; active. My firewall doesn't block any private IPs coming from the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Internet interface since the ISP routers would never forward them, so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that explains how they get past the firewall.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I think traceroute doesn't special-case internal IP addresses. Your
+</I>&gt;<i> routing table is (correctly) set up to route traffic for anything other
+</I>&gt;<i> than your known subnets to the external internet, and that's exactly
+</I>&gt;<i> what traceroute is doing. It's your ISP's job to discard internal
+</I>&gt;<i> address packets, not yours.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think you're on to something with the ISP routers. Is there some
+</I>&gt;<i> reason you don't just run the cable from the cable modem to the external
+</I>&gt;<i> NIC on the gateway PC ? If you're willing to try that, and the martians
+</I>&gt;<i> disappear, it's these routers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Try going into configuration on these routers, and see what their DHCP
+</I>&gt;<i> servers are set up for, and whether the 192.168.3 subnet appears
+</I>&gt;<i> anywhere in there. It's possible that one of your DHCP-using wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> clients is getting an answer to its broadcast from these guys before
+</I>&gt;<i> your internal router, and picking up a 192.168.3.2 IP address from them.
+</I>
+
+my martians are mostly from: hosts in subnet of my public IP, or internal
+ranges from modems, and mostly broadcasts or arp stuff.
+
+i think this 192.168.3.1 stuff is likely someone in your ISP subnet that is
+doing bad natting and is trying to get out (much like you pinging 192.168.3.x
+which is going outside your public ip, that'll get martians on someone elses
+pc for instance
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+
+it's like this:
+
+mostly people natting will do:
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+iptables -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
+
+which means internal traffic on 192.168.3.2 would go outside without being
+natted. if someone nearby uses 192.168.3.2 as a local network ip, it would get
+martians, since that network is coming from an unexpected source interface.
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+&gt;<i> my martians are mostly from: hosts in subnet of my public IP, or
+</I>&gt;<i> internal ranges from modems, and mostly broadcasts or arp stuff. i
+</I>&gt;<i> think this 192.168.3.1 stuff is likely someone in your ISP subnet that
+</I>&gt;<i> is doing bad natting and is trying to get out (much like you pinging
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.3.x which is going outside your public ip, that'll get
+</I>&gt;<i> martians on someone elses pc for instance
+</I>But his case doesn't involve promiscuous traffic. The kernel message
+specifies the endpoints as 192.168.3.2 and a google server. I'm not
+prepared to believe that a google server is sending packets to
+192.168.3.2, or even if it were, that it would make it through every
+backbone router and be seen by his kernel. So, it's got to be something
+on his LAN that thinks it's 192.168.3.2 trying to send to the google
+server. Since he has fixed IPs in other subnets for most systems, it's
+got to be the DHCP users. So, either the DHCP server he intends them to
+use is misconfigured, or they are getting to some other DHCP server that
+is configured to give out 192.168.3.2 addresses, which would probably be
+the case if it was running on a box that had assigned itself 192.168.3.1.
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 07 mei 2012 14:23:44 schreef Frank Griffin:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's like this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mostly people natting will do:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> iptables -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> which means internal traffic on 192.168.3.2 would go outside without being
+</I>&gt;<i> natted. if someone nearby uses 192.168.3.2 as a local network ip, it would get
+</I>&gt;<i> martians, since that network is coming from an unexpected source interface.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, but it would go to the ISP gateway and get discarded. Why would it
+be seen by anything else on the ISP subnet, unless the NIC were in
+promiscuous mode ? And if that (promiscuous mode) were the case, why
+would iptables complain ?
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+<PRE>Op maandag 07 mei 2012 23:04:14 schreef Frank Griffin:
+&gt;<i> On 05/07/2012 04:50 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 07 mei 2012 14:23:44 schreef Frank Griffin:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's like this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mostly people natting will do:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; iptables -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which means internal traffic on 192.168.3.2 would go outside without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; being natted. if someone nearby uses 192.168.3.2 as a local network ip,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it would get martians, since that network is coming from an unexpected
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; source interface.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but it would go to the ISP gateway and get discarded. Why would it
+</I>&gt;<i> be seen by anything else on the ISP subnet, unless the NIC were in
+</I>&gt;<i> promiscuous mode ? And if that (promiscuous mode) were the case, why
+</I>&gt;<i> would iptables complain ?
+</I>
+promiscuous mode means you're passing through from layer 2 to layer 3
+irrespective of mac address (ie: even if it's not for you)
+
+iptables is not complaining
+
+martians is kernel level, (resource path filtering (for asynchronous routing)),
+before iptables even comes into play.
+
+martians is actually also on the same level as promiscuous checking iinm...
+
+ie: it's disregarding an ip packet on an interface, which should not have come
+from that interface, but according to routing information, you expect it to
+come from another interface.
+
+ie: if you have:
+eth0: 192.168.0.2/24
+eth1: 192.168.1.5/24
+eth2: 75.124.56.84
+and default route via eth2
+
+if coming from eth2 there is a packet with source IP 192.168.1.54, it would
+fire.
+
+if going out to eth1 a packet with dest IP 192.168.0.6 it would also fire.
+
+if coming from eth0 is a packet with source ip 192.168.3.8, it also fires,
+since default route is eth2.
+
+i donno if you see an interface which it's speaking of in the martians
+warning, but i suggest you look at the routing table and see what is going on.
+
+you can furthermore try to use tcpdump and see what is going on.
+</PRE>
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+<LI><A HREF="007247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007249.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quick news about Mageia 2 RC isos
+</A><A NAME="7232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quick news about Mageia 2 RC isos
+</A><A NAME="7233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quick news about Mageia 2 RC isos
+</A><A NAME="7237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Grimes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="007238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quick news about Mageia 2 RC isos
+</A><A NAME="7238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon May 7 23:27:08 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon May 7 23:30:12 CEST 2012</i>
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+ <h1>7 May 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon May 7 00:38:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon May 7 23:27:08 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 26<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01336343902- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01336343902-01336345065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339-01336387537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339-01336387537-01336392595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339-01336387537-01336392595-01336393424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339-01336387537-01336392595-01336393424-01336423661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339-01336387537-01336392595-01336393424-01336423661-01336424466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339-01336387537-01336392595-01336393424-01336423854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007246.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339-01336387537-01336392595-01336393424-01336423854-01336424654- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336343902-01336345065-01336349901-01336353339-01336387537-01336392595-01336393424-01336423854-01336424654-01336426028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007249.html">[Mageia-discuss] Odd entry in log file
+</A><A NAME="7249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01336351374- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Browsiner logging ?
+</A><A NAME="7227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01336351374-01336355110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Browsiner logging ?
+</A><A NAME="7230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01336351374-01336355110-01336372719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Browsiner logging ?
+</A><A NAME="7231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01336351374-01336355110-01336372719-01336408032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Browsiner logging ?
+</A><A NAME="7239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01336354725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
+</A><A NAME="7229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01336378459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quick news about Mageia 2 RC isos
+</A><A NAME="7232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01336378459-01336379038- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quick news about Mageia 2 RC isos
+</A><A NAME="7233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01336378459-01336399533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quick news about Mageia 2 RC isos
+</A><A NAME="7237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bo Grimes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01336378459-01336399533-01336401569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quick news about Mageia 2 RC isos
+</A><A NAME="7238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01336413837- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007240.html">[Mageia-discuss] it is me or something else
+</A><A NAME="7240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01336413837-01336414143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007241.html">[Mageia-discuss] it is me or something else
+</A><A NAME="7241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01336413837-01336414143-01336414848- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007242.html">[Mageia-discuss] it is me or something else
+</A><A NAME="7242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RICHARD WALKER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01336413837-01336414143-01336414848-01336417279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007243.html">[Mageia-discuss] it is me or something else
+</A><A NAME="7243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jim Whitby
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01336413837-01336420532- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007244.html">[Mageia-discuss] it is me or something else
+</A><A NAME="7244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon May 7 23:27:08 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon May 7 23:30:12 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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