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+ <B>imnotpc</B>
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+<PRE>I've installed mga2 from Cauldron to Beta 3 (as well as mga1) on a
+handful of different boxes. Some have installed without problem, some
+required a bit of effort to get running (ATI/AMD video card issues), and
+at least one won't run at all. I've filed a few bug reports and the only
+show-stopper until now was fixed. The others are minor and I can work
+around them. Overall a very good performance for non-release software.
+
+My reason for posting is the laptop that won't run at all. I've spent
+hours and tried every trick I know, but even though it installs without
+errors I still can't get it to boot to anything except a rescue desktop.
+I've tried a clean install and an upgrade from mga1 and the results are
+the same. This laptop is important to me and at this point I'm very
+frustrated, but since mga1 and many other distros run on this hardware
+I'm determined to make it work.
+
+I don't really have a lot of clues to offer. After installation it goes
+through the boot sequence and fails with either a blank screen for the
+default ATI driver, or a multi-color pixelated screen with the vesa
+driver. I've never seen the vesa driver lock up before. At times I've
+managed to get to the command line and discovered that in addition the
+networking won't work, either wired or wireless. I'd gladly submit a bug
+report or comment on an existing one, but I don't know where to start on
+this one.
+
+Jeff
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences">ftg at roadrunner.com
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+ <I>Thu Apr 26 04:32:35 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 04/25/2012 06:51 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't really have a lot of clues to offer. After installation it
+</I>&gt;<i> goes through the boot sequence and fails with either a blank screen
+</I>&gt;<i> for the default ATI driver, or a multi-color pixelated screen with the
+</I>&gt;<i> vesa driver. I've never seen the vesa driver lock up before.
+</I>
+If you boot a rescue CD, mount the root partition, change the runlevel
+in /etc/inittab to 3 rather than 5, and reboot, do you get to a login
+prompt with no problem ? If so, your problem is in starting X, most
+likely related to the ATI video card.
+
+Check /boot/grub/menu.lst to see if the entry you're booting has the
+kernel parm &quot;nokmsboot&quot;. If it doesn't, add it. None of the free
+drivers for ATI will work without this. Cauldron is adding this now,
+but I don't know about b3. The radeon driver still won't work, but it
+won't misbehave as badly. The vesa driver may work then.
+
+ From the command line, add the nonfree repositories and install both
+the fglrx driver and the kernel-firmware-nonfree. If that works, then
+you just have an ATI chip that won't work with vesa.
+
+&gt;<i> At times I've managed to get to the command line and discovered that
+</I>&gt;<i> in addition the networking won't work, either wired or wireless. I'd
+</I>&gt;<i> gladly submit a bug report or comment on an existing one, but I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> know where to start on this one.
+</I>
+ From either a tty command line or a root terminal window, run
+drakconnect. See whether the NetworkManager box is checked in the
+options panel for the wired interface. If it is, uncheck it, complete
+drakconnect and run &quot;service networkmanager stop&quot; and &quot;systemctl disable
+NetworkManager.service&quot;. Then reboot and see if it comes up. Same for
+wireless.
+
+If your NICs worked under mga1, NM is most likely the culprit.
+
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Juergen Harms</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] dbus notification after kde startup">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch
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+ <I>Thu Apr 26 08:05:39 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>I am getting a notification popup several tens of seconds after each kde
+startup.
+
+The Notification says:
+
+Error: Service disabled
+Error while initializing DBus
+Disabling the service
+
+Sounds frightening, but does not appear to have any negative effects.
+
+
+I think to remember having seen a discussion on this subject and filed
+it away as being dealt with - that is evidently not so. Am I the only
+one to see this issue?
+
+It is certainly not a blocker bug, but - unless it is something specific
+to my installation - more than just a small beauty spot on the face of
+Mageia 2.
+
+Some more details (in case I need to file a bug):
+- 100% reproducible (but delay after kde startup varies between 15 and
+ 50 seconds)
+- the only trace in thelogs I can find is (probably) a line in
+ .xsession-errors that says
+
+QGraphicsLinearLayout::removeAt: invalid index 1
+
+ (the message does not have any evident relation to the DBus
+ notification, but it is not in .xsession-errors until the notification
+ happens.
+</PRE>
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+ <B>imnotpc</B>
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+<PRE>On 04/25/2012 10:32 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 04/25/2012 06:51 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't really have a lot of clues to offer. After installation it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> goes through the boot sequence and fails with either a blank screen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the default ATI driver, or a multi-color pixelated screen with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the vesa driver. I've never seen the vesa driver lock up before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you boot a rescue CD, mount the root partition, change the runlevel
+</I>&gt;<i> in /etc/inittab to 3 rather than 5, and reboot, do you get to a login
+</I>&gt;<i> prompt with no problem ?
+</I>
+No, it locks up with a blank screen. The last line I could read before
+it went blank was &quot;Starting speech dispatcher...&quot;
+
+If I boot using safe mode the system doesn't lock, but doesn't give me a
+command prompt either. The last message is &quot;Failed to issue method call:
+Transaction is destructive.&quot;
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> At times I've managed to get to the command line and discovered that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in addition the networking won't work, either wired or wireless. I'd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gladly submit a bug report or comment on an existing one, but I don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know where to start on this one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From either a tty command line or a root terminal window, run
+</I>&gt;<i> drakconnect. See whether the NetworkManager box is checked in the
+</I>&gt;<i> options panel for the wired interface. If it is, uncheck it, complete
+</I>&gt;<i> drakconnect and run &quot;service networkmanager stop&quot; and &quot;systemctl
+</I>&gt;<i> disable NetworkManager.service&quot;. Then reboot and see if it comes up.
+</I>&gt;<i> Same for wireless.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If your NICs worked under mga1, NM is most likely the culprit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I install over the network so the wired NIC is working during
+installation. The wireless NICs work as well but they usually need
+firmware installed first. I'll take a look at this once I can reliably
+get that far. Thanks for the help.
+</PRE>
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+</I>&gt;<i> 1. dbus notification after kde startup (Juergen Harms)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:05:39 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussion &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] dbus notification after kde startup
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4F98E5B3.1050908 at unige.ch</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am getting a notification popup several tens of seconds after each
+</I>&gt;<i> kde startup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The Notification says:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Error: Service disabled
+</I>&gt;<i> Error while initializing DBus
+</I>&gt;<i> Disabling the service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds frightening, but does not appear to have any negative effects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think to remember having seen a discussion on this subject and
+</I>&gt;<i> filed it away as being dealt with - that is evidently not so. Am I
+</I>&gt;<i> the only one to see this issue?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is certainly not a blocker bug, but - unless it is something
+</I>&gt;<i> specific to my installation - more than just a small beauty spot on
+</I>&gt;<i> the face of Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some more details (in case I need to file a bug):
+</I>&gt;<i> - 100% reproducible (but delay after kde startup varies between 15 and
+</I>&gt;<i> 50 seconds)
+</I>&gt;<i> - the only trace in thelogs I can find is (probably) a line in
+</I>&gt;<i> .xsession-errors that says
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> QGraphicsLinearLayout::removeAt: invalid index 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (the message does not have any evident relation to the DBus
+</I>&gt;<i> notification, but it is not in .xsession-errors until the
+</I>&gt;<i> notification happens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>This reply from Arch-Linux (with Gnome) may help. I don't think we
+have an .xinitrc, but the idea of two users is new to me. I get beside
+the Akonadi icon on a right-click, that it is disabled, but nothing
+more. I am used to running Totem under KDE, and being told that the
+Gnome dbus service can't be found. Totem starts up all the same.
+
+In my case, the KDE theme sounds about 30 seconds later, but there are
+no messages.
+
+ --Quote---
+Found an old post with the solution!! big_smile
+<A HREF="https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=73944">https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=73944</A>
+basically dbus runs a system bus and a user bus. rc.conf starts the
+system bus but I needed to add &quot;launch-dbus&quot; to the exec line
+of .xinitrc Now gnome-do and docky both work!
+--End quote---
+
+Doug.
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 04/26/2012 07:50 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 04/25/2012 10:32 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you boot a rescue CD, mount the root partition, change the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> runlevel in /etc/inittab to 3 rather than 5, and reboot, do you get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to a login prompt with no problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it locks up with a blank screen. The last line I could read before
+</I>&gt;<i> it went blank was &quot;Starting speech dispatcher...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I boot using safe mode the system doesn't lock, but doesn't give me
+</I>&gt;<i> a command prompt either. The last message is &quot;Failed to issue method
+</I>&gt;<i> call: Transaction is destructive.&quot;
+</I>
+OK, there may be several issues in play here.
+
+Cauldron currently starts plymouth on tty1 to display boot messages, and
+I think the design relies on a Display Manager (GDM, KDM) signalling
+plymouth to exit, so if you boot to runlevel 3 (where no DM is staretd,
+plymouth currently hangs around on tty1, and it looks like it's hung.
+However, if you do ALT-F2 (or 3, 4, etc), switching to an available tty
+that isn't running X should start getty there and give you a login prompt.
+
+What I'm trying to determine is whether your line-mode tty video works
+without X in the picture.
+
+If you could read &quot;Starting speech dispatcher&quot;, then your tty was
+working, and the blank screen was probably the result of starting X.
+Maybe with systemd now, there is a different way of setting the
+runlevel. Try booting in safe mode, doing ALT-F2, logging in as root,
+and running XFdrake. Then uncheck the box which says start graphical
+mode at boot, and try again.
+
+The &quot;Transaction is destructive&quot; thing is a known open bug.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If your NICs worked under mga1, NM is most likely the culprit.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I install over the network so the wired NIC is working during
+</I>&gt;<i> installation. The wireless NICs work as well but they usually need
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware installed first. I'll take a look at this once I can reliably
+</I>&gt;<i> get that far. Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If the wired NIC works during installation, then it doesn't need
+firmware, and there's no reason it shouldn't work in the new system.
+
+It's common for wireless to take a few reboots, since the install
+doesn't detect wireless and install everything it should. Instead, when
+you run drakconnect to add the wireless interface, it kicks urpmi to
+install wireless-tools and some other packages. It also detects your
+wireless NIC, and modifies boot files to load the appropriate kernel
+driver (if it recognizes it).
+
+So it's not unusual for the initial attempt at adding wlan0 to show only
+&quot;Use a windows driver with ndiswrapper&quot; until you reboot and the kernel
+recognizes the device. Then using drakconnect should show your actual
+device.
+
+I haven't used any NICs that require firmware not included with the
+install, so I don't know how automatic that is.
+
+Once you get to the point of defining eth0 or wlan0 and not having it
+come up, you can do the checks for NM.
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+<PRE>On 04/26/2012 08:38 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 04/26/2012 07:50 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/25/2012 10:32 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you boot a rescue CD, mount the root partition, change the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> runlevel in /etc/inittab to 3 rather than 5, and reboot, do you get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to a login prompt with no problem ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, it locks up with a blank screen. The last line I could read
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before it went blank was &quot;Starting speech dispatcher...&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I boot using safe mode the system doesn't lock, but doesn't give
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me a command prompt either. The last message is &quot;Failed to issue
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> method call: Transaction is destructive.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, there may be several issues in play here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron currently starts plymouth on tty1 to display boot messages,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I think the design relies on a Display Manager (GDM, KDM)
+</I>&gt;<i> signalling plymouth to exit, so if you boot to runlevel 3 (where no DM
+</I>&gt;<i> is staretd, plymouth currently hangs around on tty1, and it looks like
+</I>&gt;<i> it's hung. However, if you do ALT-F2 (or 3, 4, etc), switching to an
+</I>&gt;<i> available tty that isn't running X should start getty there and give
+</I>&gt;<i> you a login prompt.
+</I>
+Doing a default boot the system definitely locks up. Even the cap lock
+key doesn't work.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What I'm trying to determine is whether your line-mode tty video works
+</I>&gt;<i> without X in the picture.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you could read &quot;Starting speech dispatcher&quot;, then your tty was
+</I>&gt;<i> working, and the blank screen was probably the result of starting X.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe with systemd now, there is a different way of setting the
+</I>&gt;<i> runlevel. Try booting in safe mode, doing ALT-F2, logging in as root,
+</I>&gt;<i> and running XFdrake. Then uncheck the box which says start graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> mode at boot, and try again.
+</I>
+When I boot using safe mode ALT-F2 does nothing. Interestingly
+CTL-ALT-DEL works even though there is no command prompt.
+
+I installed mga2 as an upgrade to mga1 so the old boot entry is still
+there. When I use it the system boots to the regular login screen, but
+the mouse and keyboard don't work so there is nothing I can do from there.
+
+In the past I've used the net install disc and done an &quot;upgrade&quot; of the
+installed system. Nothing is actually installed but it does allow me to
+change some settings. Perhaps use that to uncheck the graphic interface box?
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I install over the network so the wired NIC is working during
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installation. The wireless NICs work as well but they usually need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firmware installed first. I'll take a look at this once I can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reliably get that far. Thanks for the help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If your NICs worked under mga1, NM is most likely the culprit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the wired NIC works during installation, then it doesn't need
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware, and there's no reason it shouldn't work in the new system.
+</I>
+Correct, the wired NIC doesn't require firmware. The built in wireless
+NIC needs additional firmware. When you set up the interface it asks to
+install the firmware and it always has worked fine after that. The
+PCMCIA wireless NIC has needed firmware in the past, but mga1 seems to
+install everything it needs during installation. Installing Linux on a
+laptop has always been difficult, but despite my current woes laptop
+support has gotten much better over the years.
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+ <B>Juergen Harms</B>
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+<PRE>Thanks Doug, that clarifies and provides the solution
+
+I just filed the bug: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5622">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5622</A>
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+And, yes, I have also observed the kde music to be late - again to a
+varying degree.
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+<PRE>On 04/26/2012 09:41 AM, imnotpc wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing a default boot the system definitely locks up. Even the cap lock
+</I>&gt;<i> key doesn't work.
+</I>
+It sounds like you have one of the ATI chips which won't even work in
+text mode without firmware. Did you ever check your /boot/grub/menu.lst
+for nokmsboot ? If not, try adding it in safe mode, and then:
+ cd /boot/grub
+ ./install.sh
+and try a default boot again. If it still doesn't work, you've got an
+ATI chip that requires KMS and the firmware, and you'll have to boot to
+safe mode, remove nokmsboot, rerun ./install.sh, add the nonfree
+repositories, and install the kernel-firmware-nonfree package.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the past I've used the net install disc and done an &quot;upgrade&quot; of
+</I>&gt;<i> the installed system. Nothing is actually installed but it does allow
+</I>&gt;<i> me to change some settings. Perhaps use that to uncheck the graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> interface box?
+</I>
+Worth a try.
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> In the past I've used the net install disc and done an &quot;upgrade&quot; of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the installed system. Nothing is actually installed but it does allow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me to change some settings. Perhaps use that to uncheck the graphic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interface box?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Worth a try.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I was able to do this and now have a different outcome. Using safe mode
+the system eventually locks up but with different messages:
+
+Failed to start LSB: HAL daemon [FAILED]
+[ 79.8755491] Disabling IRQ #24
+
+Then I get a flashing cursor but the keyboard doesn't work.
+
+Also, I booted into rescue mode and checked menu.lst. The boot
+parameters already include nokmsboot.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was able to do this and now have a different outcome. Using safe
+</I>&gt;<i> mode the system eventually locks up but with different messages:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to start LSB: HAL daemon [FAILED]
+</I>&gt;<i> [ 79.8755491] Disabling IRQ #24
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then I get a flashing cursor but the keyboard doesn't work.
+</I>
+No idea about this. What about a default boot that used to lock up with
+a blank screen ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, I booted into rescue mode and checked menu.lst. The boot
+</I>&gt;<i> parameters already include nokmsboot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Then you probably want to try installing the firmware and removing it.
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+&gt;<i> On 04/26/2012 12:01 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was able to do this and now have a different outcome. Using safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mode the system eventually locks up but with different messages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Failed to start LSB: HAL daemon [FAILED]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ 79.8755491] Disabling IRQ #24
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then I get a flashing cursor but the keyboard doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No idea about this. What about a default boot that used to lock up
+</I>&gt;<i> with a blank screen ?
+</I>
+Well this is truly odd. It locks up at many different places. I know
+this sounds crazy but the point it locks up at seems to be related to
+whether I select the default boot image to boot immediately or just let
+it time out and boot. It's almost like there is a timer that begins when
+grub loads and the system locks up a certain time after that no matter
+where it is in the boot sequence.
+
+This sounds like a hardware issue except that I've been able to install
+mga1 and openSUSE 12.1 sucessfully on this laptop since my first
+attempts to install mga2. I've also run an extensive RAM test and
+everything looks good.
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+imnotpc wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 04/26/2012 12:33 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 04/26/2012 12:01 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I was able to do this and now have a different outcome. Using safe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mode the system eventually locks up but with different messages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Failed to start LSB: HAL daemon [FAILED]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [ 79.8755491] Disabling IRQ #24
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Then I get a flashing cursor but the keyboard doesn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No idea about this. What about a default boot that used to lock up
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with a blank screen ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well this is truly odd. It locks up at many different places. I know
+</I>&gt;<i> this sounds crazy but the point it locks up at seems to be related to
+</I>&gt;<i> whether I select the default boot image to boot immediately or just let
+</I>&gt;<i> it time out and boot. It's almost like there is a timer that begins when
+</I>&gt;<i> grub loads and the system locks up a certain time after that no matter
+</I>&gt;<i> where it is in the boot sequence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This sounds like a hardware issue except that I've been able to install
+</I>&gt;<i> mga1 and openSUSE 12.1 sucessfully on this laptop since my first
+</I>&gt;<i> attempts to install mga2. I've also run an extensive RAM test and
+</I>&gt;<i> everything looks good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Put it in the fridge for 30 minutes and try again ? :-)
+
+John
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+&gt;<i> On 04/26/2012 12:33 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No idea about this. What about a default boot that used to lock up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with a blank screen ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well this is truly odd. It locks up at many different places. I know
+</I>&gt;<i> this sounds crazy but the point it locks up at seems to be related to
+</I>&gt;<i> whether I select the default boot image to boot immediately or just
+</I>&gt;<i> let it time out and boot. It's almost like there is a timer that
+</I>&gt;<i> begins when grub loads and the system locks up a certain time after
+</I>&gt;<i> that no matter where it is in the boot sequence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This sounds like a hardware issue except that I've been able to
+</I>&gt;<i> install mga1 and openSUSE 12.1 sucessfully on this laptop since my
+</I>&gt;<i> first attempts to install mga2. I've also run an extensive RAM test
+</I>&gt;<i> and everything looks good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>What I'm trying to figure out is whether a normal boot with autostart of
+X turned off (as it is now) has video problems. I suspect that changing
+inittab didn't really change the runlevel for some reason, and assuming
+that unchecking the box in XFdrake did this successfully, I'd like to
+know if a default boot still has the problem.
+
+Leave safe boot out of it for now, as that clearly has problems of its own.
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>On 04/26/2012 01:58 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 04/26/2012 01:06 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/26/2012 12:33 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No idea about this. What about a default boot that used to lock up
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with a blank screen ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well this is truly odd. It locks up at many different places. I know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this sounds crazy but the point it locks up at seems to be related to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whether I select the default boot image to boot immediately or just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> let it time out and boot. It's almost like there is a timer that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> begins when grub loads and the system locks up a certain time after
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that no matter where it is in the boot sequence.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This sounds like a hardware issue except that I've been able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install mga1 and openSUSE 12.1 sucessfully on this laptop since my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first attempts to install mga2. I've also run an extensive RAM test
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and everything looks good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What I'm trying to figure out is whether a normal boot with autostart
+</I>&gt;<i> of X turned off (as it is now) has video problems. I suspect that
+</I>&gt;<i> changing inittab didn't really change the runlevel for some reason,
+</I>&gt;<i> and assuming that unchecking the box in XFdrake did this successfully,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to know if a default boot still has the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Leave safe boot out of it for now, as that clearly has problems of its
+</I>&gt;<i> own.
+</I>
+I think you misunderstand. This is what happens using the default boot.
+The safe boot give the HAL failure error.
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+<PRE>On 04/26/2012 02:21 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 04/26/2012 01:58 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/26/2012 01:06 PM, imnotpc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well this is truly odd. It locks up at many different places. I know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this sounds crazy but the point it locks up at seems to be related
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to whether I select the default boot image to boot immediately or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just let it time out and boot. It's almost like there is a timer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that begins when grub loads and the system locks up a certain time
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> after that no matter where it is in the boot sequence.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you misunderstand. This is what happens using the default
+</I>&gt;<i> boot. The safe boot give the HAL failure error.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, you can test the timer theory easily enough. When the grub sreen
+comes up, use the up or down arrow to move off of the default selection
+and back onto it. That will disable the autoboot timer. Let it sit
+there for 5 minutes, then hit ENTER and let it boot and see what happens.
+
+Any luck if you install the firmware ?
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+<LI><A HREF="007130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
+</A><A NAME="7130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>imnotpc
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+<LI><A HREF="007131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
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+<I>Frank Griffin
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+<I>imnotpc
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+<LI><A HREF="007135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
+</A><A NAME="7135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
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+<LI><A HREF="007136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
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+<I>imnotpc
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+<LI><A HREF="007138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
+</A><A NAME="7138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
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+<LI><A HREF="007139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
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+<I>imnotpc
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+<I>Frank Griffin
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+<LI><A HREF="007141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
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+<I>imnotpc
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+<LI><A HREF="007142.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
+</A><A NAME="7142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John
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+<LI><A HREF="007143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
+</A><A NAME="7143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
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+<LI><A HREF="007145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia 2 Experiences
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+<I>Frank Griffin
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+<LI><A HREF="007132.html">[Mageia-discuss] dbus notification after kde startup
+</A><A NAME="7132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
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+<LI><A HREF="007134.html">[Mageia-discuss] dbus notification after kde startup
+</A><A NAME="7134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+<!--1 01335442426-01335449680- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007137.html">[Mageia-discuss] dbus notification after kde startup
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+<I>Juergen Harms
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+ <i>Thu Apr 26 21:22:58 CEST 2012</i><br>
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