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+ <I>Wed Jan 4 12:49:23 CET 2012</I>
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+ <B>Antoine Pitrou</B>
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+Hello,
+
+Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+Pidgin:
+
+ Version&#160;: 2.10.1-1.mga1
+ Version actuellement install&#233;e&#160;: 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+
+the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+
+ * dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.10.1-1.mga1
+
+ + Revision: 180554
+ - new version 2.10.1
+ fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+ passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+ admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+ crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+ video requests
+ + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+ - New version 2.10.0
+
+ * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams &lt;dams&gt; 2.7.11-1.mga1
+ [etc.]
+
+How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+
+(would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+
+Thanks
+
+Antoine.
+
+
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+ <B>Manuel Hiebel</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 04 janvier 2012 &#224; 18:04 +0100, Antoine Pitrou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+</I>&gt;<i> Pidgin:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Version actuellement install&#233;e : 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 180554
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 2.10.1
+</I>&gt;<i> fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+</I>&gt;<i> passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+</I>&gt;<i> admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+</I>&gt;<i> crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+</I>&gt;<i> video requests
+</I>&gt;<i> + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - New version 2.10.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams &lt;dams&gt; 2.7.11-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> [etc.]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+</I>&gt;<i> installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+</I>&gt;<i> happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep there is a bug opened against the show of the advisory in rpmdrake and one open (and now closed iirc)
+
+
+
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 04 janvier 2012 &#224; 18:04 +0100, Antoine Pitrou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+</I>&gt;<i> Pidgin:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Version actuellement install&#233;e : 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 180554
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 2.10.1
+</I>&gt;<i> fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+</I>&gt;<i> passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+</I>&gt;<i> admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+</I>&gt;<i> crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+</I>&gt;<i> video requests
+</I>&gt;<i> + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - New version 2.10.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams &lt;dams&gt; 2.7.11-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> [etc.]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+</I>&gt;<i> installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+</I>&gt;<i> happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep there is a bug opened against the show of the advisory in rpmdrake and
+one open for the changelog (and now closed iirc). :s
+As a workaround you can use the ml and/or the rss feed.
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/updates-announce">https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/updates-announce</A>
+
+
+
+
+
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+ <B>Claire Robinson</B>
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+<PRE>On 04/01/12 17:04, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+</I>&gt;<i> Pidgin:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Version actuellement install&#233;e : 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang&lt;fwang&gt; 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 180554
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 2.10.1
+</I>&gt;<i> fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+</I>&gt;<i> passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+</I>&gt;<i> admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+</I>&gt;<i> crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+</I>&gt;<i> video requests
+</I>&gt;<i> + dmorgan&lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - New version 2.10.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams&lt;dams&gt; 2.7.11-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> [etc.]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+</I>&gt;<i> installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+</I>&gt;<i> happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There is a more detailed advisory written for each update but it
+currently isn't shown in MageiaUpdate.
+
+You can subscribe to the Updates Announce mailing list
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">updates-announce at ml.mageia.org</A>
+
+here
+
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/updates-announce">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/updates-announce</A>
+
+Or maybe even join one of the teams and become involved in the updates
+process as it happens - recommended :D (QA Team)
+
+An example from the updates-announce ML
+
+---------------
+This update addresses the following CVE:
+
+- CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before passing them
+ to glib or libpurple
+
+
+other fixes in this release:
+
+Fix a memory leak when admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary
+encoding
+Fix crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and video
+requests
+
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3894">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3894</A>
+---------------------
+
+Claire
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>2012/1/4 Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 04/01/12 17:04, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pidgin:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Version : 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Version actuellement install&#233;e : 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;* dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang&lt;fwang&gt; &#160;2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; + Revision: 180554
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; - new version 2.10.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;video requests
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; + dmorgan&lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; - New version 2.10.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams&lt;dams&gt; &#160;2.7.11-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; [etc.]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a more detailed advisory written for each update but it currently
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't shown in MageiaUpdate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can subscribe to the Updates Announce mailing list
+</I>
+This is surely an option for the experienced user, as are the other
+options you show.
+
+But what about the average (even unexperienced or new) users? You
+would not suggest to them to join a mailing list to be able to know
+what an update of a package will change in his system? Imagine the
+poor guy, getting 20+ packages for update and now trying to find them
+one by one in the mailing list. This way you educate them to stop
+caring about changes, just do the update.
+
+OTOH if the updates are displayed by the update system in order by
+their reason for update (security first, then bug fix, then version
+upgrade (which we seldomly do)) and a click on the package reveils the
+details, you will educate them to become curious and interested -
+can't remember which distro I saw that, maybe suse or ubuntu.
+
+I know that this means work, it's a reasonable suggestion nevertheless.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Am 04.01.2012 19:12, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i> 2012/1/4 Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/01/12 17:04, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pidgin:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version actuellement install&#233;e : 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang&lt;fwang&gt; 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 180554
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 2.10.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> video requests
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + dmorgan&lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - New version 2.10.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams&lt;dams&gt; 2.7.11-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [etc.]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is a more detailed advisory written for each update but it currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> isn't shown in MageiaUpdate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can subscribe to the Updates Announce mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> This is surely an option for the experienced user, as are the other
+</I>&gt;<i> options you show.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But what about the average (even unexperienced or new) users? You
+</I>&gt;<i> would not suggest to them to join a mailing list to be able to know
+</I>&gt;<i> what an update of a package will change in his system? Imagine the
+</I>&gt;<i> poor guy, getting 20+ packages for update and now trying to find them
+</I>&gt;<i> one by one in the mailing list. This way you educate them to stop
+</I>&gt;<i> caring about changes, just do the update.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OTOH if the updates are displayed by the update system in order by
+</I>&gt;<i> their reason for update (security first, then bug fix, then version
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade (which we seldomly do)) and a click on the package reveils the
+</I>&gt;<i> details, you will educate them to become curious and interested -
+</I>&gt;<i> can't remember which distro I saw that, maybe suse or ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that this means work, it's a reasonable suggestion nevertheless.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Maybe you missed Manuel's second mail, it's just that the infrastructure
+for displaying the advisory and the type of update (which worked the way
+you describe it on Mandriva, differing between security, bugfix and pure
+version update, color-coded in red, yellow and green in the update applet, IIRC)
+is still missing Please see: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223</A>
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>On 04/01/12 18:12, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/1/4 Claire Robinson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 04/01/12 17:04, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pidgin:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version actuellement install&#233;e : 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang&lt;fwang&gt; 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 180554
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 2.10.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> video requests
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + dmorgan&lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - New version 2.10.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams&lt;dams&gt; 2.7.11-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [etc.]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is a more detailed advisory written for each update but it currently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> isn't shown in MageiaUpdate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can subscribe to the Updates Announce mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is surely an option for the experienced user, as are the other
+</I>&gt;<i> options you show.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But what about the average (even unexperienced or new) users? You
+</I>&gt;<i> would not suggest to them to join a mailing list to be able to know
+</I>&gt;<i> what an update of a package will change in his system? Imagine the
+</I>&gt;<i> poor guy, getting 20+ packages for update and now trying to find them
+</I>&gt;<i> one by one in the mailing list. This way you educate them to stop
+</I>&gt;<i> caring about changes, just do the update.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OTOH if the updates are displayed by the update system in order by
+</I>&gt;<i> their reason for update (security first, then bug fix, then version
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade (which we seldomly do)) and a click on the package reveils the
+</I>&gt;<i> details, you will educate them to become curious and interested -
+</I>&gt;<i> can't remember which distro I saw that, maybe suse or ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that this means work, it's a reasonable suggestion nevertheless.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I very much agree with you Wolfgang, as Manuel pointed out there is a
+bug to do just that.
+
+There is nothing I can personally do to make the necessary changes so I
+was attempting to answer the question that was asked. That would be
+something you'd have to take up on the dev mailing list!
+
+Claire
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you missed Manuel's second mail, it's just that the infrastructure
+</I>&gt;<i> for displaying the advisory and the type of update (which worked the way
+</I>&gt;<i> you describe it on Mandriva, differing between security, bugfix and pure
+</I>&gt;<i> version update, color-coded in red, yellow and green in the update applet, IIRC)
+</I>&gt;<i> is still missing Please see: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223</A>
+</I>
+No, I know that, that's why I did not shout at anybody that I want to
+have the nice feature today, or else... :)
+
+I only wanted to point out that the mailing list and the other good
+hints you (Claire) gave are not a permanent solution for
+unexperienced/new users. Maybe I misunderstood that you gave all these
+advices just as a temporary option until that bug is fixed and work on
+a better system can start.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>As you know, Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome-Shell with the look &amp; feel &amp;
+workflow of Gnome2, developed and maintained by Clement Lefebvre
+&quot;Clem&quot; from Linux-Mint.
+
+At the moment, already rpms and debs for other distributions like Ubuntu,
+Fedora, Arch and OpenSuse are built:
+<A HREF="http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61">http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61</A>
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+In my opinion, Cinnamon will be a sustainable alternative for
+ex-Gnome2-users,
+who don't like the &quot;smartphone-look&quot; of Gnome3
+
+So I propose to implement Cinnamon also in Mageia as a third &quot;heavy&quot; DE
+next to
+KDE4 and Gnome3
+
+Regards,
+Bernd
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+&gt;<i> 2012/1/4 Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe you missed Manuel's second mail, it's just that the infrastructure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for displaying the advisory and the type of update (which worked the way
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you describe it on Mandriva, differing between security, bugfix and pure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version update, color-coded in red, yellow and green in the update applet, IIRC)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is still missing Please see: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I know that, that's why I did not shout at anybody that I want to
+</I>&gt;<i> have the nice feature today, or else... :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I only wanted to point out that the mailing list and the other good
+</I>&gt;<i> hints you (Claire) gave are not a permanent solution for
+</I>&gt;<i> unexperienced/new users. Maybe I misunderstood that you gave all these
+</I>&gt;<i> advices just as a temporary option until that bug is fixed and work on
+</I>&gt;<i> a better system can start.
+</I>I can only speak for myself, but i think that was the intention behind the
+comments.
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 04 januari 2012 18:35:44 schreef Manuel Hiebel:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 04 janvier 2012 &#224; 18:04 +0100, Antoine Pitrou a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Pidgin:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version actuellement install&#233;e : 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 180554
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - new version 2.10.1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; video requests
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - New version 2.10.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams &lt;dams&gt; 2.7.11-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [etc.]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Antoine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep there is a bug opened against the show of the advisory in rpmdrake and
+</I>&gt;<i> one open for the changelog (and now closed iirc). :s
+</I>&gt;<i> As a workaround you can use the ml and/or the rss feed.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/updates-announce">https://ml.mageia.org/l/info/updates-announce</A>
+</I>
+actually, isn't the changelog wrong too?, how can the user have 2.10.0.1.mga1?
+if that doesn't exist, according to the changelog?
+
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+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Proposal: Cinnamon for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="6188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bernd
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Jan 4 12:49:23 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Jan 4 23:33:04 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 12<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006179.html">[Mageia-discuss] May 2012 come with good things to Mageia
+</A><A NAME="6179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006187.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Proposal: Cinnamon for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="6188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bernd
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Jan 4 12:49:23 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Jan 4 23:33:04 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 12<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006179.html">[Mageia-discuss] May 2012 come with good things to Mageia
+</A><A NAME="6179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Proposal: Cinnamon for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="6188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bernd
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006187.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Jan 4 12:49:23 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Jan 4 23:33:04 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 12<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01325677763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006179.html">[Mageia-discuss] May 2012 come with good things to Mageia
+</A><A NAME="6179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325696644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325696644-01325697994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01325696644-01325698544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325696644-01325698544-01325716384- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01325696644-01325699316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325696644-01325699316-01325700769- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325696644-01325699316-01325700769-01325702642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325696644-01325699316-01325700769-01325702642-01325703694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006187.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325696644-01325699316-01325700769-01325702642-01325703694-01325706123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325696644-01325699316-01325700769-01325702800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Unhelpful update changelogs
+</A><A NAME="6186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325704889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Proposal: Cinnamon for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="6188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bernd
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
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