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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008201.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008201.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5d5f21d32 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/2012-July/008201.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%0A%20yes%22%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFF8794.3000808%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="008200.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="008215.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Cultural%20difference%3A%20%22Let%20your%20yes%20be%0A%20yes%22%09%3C---%3E%20%22It%20is%20rude%20to%20say%20no%22&In-Reply-To=%3C4FFF8794.3000808%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no"">andre999mga at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Jul 13 04:27:32 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8201">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8201">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8201">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8201">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu a écrit : +><i> On Friday 13 July 2012 01:35, Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I think you're missing the point. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> As did you. I gave a few example on how to avoid to lie, and be thuthfull at the same time. +</I>><i> There is a difference in not telling what they wan't to hear, and lying just to avoid problems. +</I>><i> Besides, telling the truth does not mean that you should tell the whole truth. There's a difference. :-)= +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> In some cultures, not giving offense trumps telling the truth. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Which does not defend lying. I really cannot envision a situation where outright lying is prefered over telling the truth or just shutting up. +</I>><i> If the truth is to much in a situation, then suck it up and shutup. If you're not saying anything, you can't be lying. +</I>><i> +</I> +That depends on what is understood. Which depends largely on culture, +but also on personal point of view. +For example, there has been more than one statement on your part that, +from my point of view, did not accord with reality. Did I consider that +you were "lying" ? No. +That you had a different understanding of the situation, a different +point of view, and maybe that you were mistaken, depending on the +particular point in question. + +The world of communication is subjective, however much we might like, as +those implicated in the computer field, that it be mathematically objective. + +"Lying" is an agressive word that is disrespectful of others, in my view. +For example, it is considered unacceptable by parliamentary rules in +most democratic countries, as well as in diplomacy. +Even though I tend to hold strong opinions on various subjects, I +wouldn't accuse others of lying. + +Perhaps my point of view is conditioned by the many cultures from all +around the world that one finds in Canada. In the past I briefly +studied Japanese, and as already pointed out, their language and culture +is very much oriented to politeness, characterised by being indirect. +Those cultures where people tend to be more direct are frequently see as +rude by others. +But even in cultures which are more direct, being less direct is seen as +being more polite. The differences between cultures is largely a matter +of degree. +><i> There's another way to answer if someone ask if you would do something. You can say "Yes, I can do that". By that statement you're simply saying that you /can do it, you didn't say that you Would do it. I did that with my late grandma, which often asked me to do things that I really didn't want to do, and I didn't want to tell her that I hoped to avoid it. +</I>><i> The trick is how you say it, which is what lawyers have discovered. +</I>><i> +</I> +If it is a "trick", it is any more honest ? +As for lawyers, they have their own jargon which often does not accord +with the usual usage of their language. (Often totally illogical, if +interpreted word for word, as well.) +><i> And yes, this is something that I really have strong opinions about. ;-)= +</I>><i> +</I> +I think we noticed :) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cultural difference: "Let your yes be yes" <---> "It is rude to say no" +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8201">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8201">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8201">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8201">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |