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+<PRE>David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:55:25 -0400, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It still doesn't help me boot the installation when I'm on the bus if I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to travel a long time. Please stick to the real issue in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer &amp; not telling me to do things on the side.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Every problem has its solution, so what's the Mageia-installer solution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then if we stick to the net install-iso?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand the problem. It would most commonly be encountered here,
+</I>&gt;<i> when using the wireless connection at a hotel, either with a click to
+</I>&gt;<i> agree, or a password required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only solution I can think of, would be for the installer to include
+</I>&gt;<i> at least one functional web browser, with the option to start it once the
+</I>&gt;<i> network has been configured.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It wouldn't surprise me for the license/password screen to require flash
+</I>&gt;<i> and java too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
+Coming in a bit late, but I see a simple solution, if one adds a few
+assumptions :
+1) maybe only 30 minutes at a time, but will have recurring access.
+2) we start with a fully working system
+3) we have enough space (memory/disk/usb-key) to store a dvd image, and
+whatever is necessary to make it bootable for install.
+4) the dvd contains the drivers/firmware necessary for wifi, basic
+video, etc.
+
+Then we
+1) Download the dvd image during the initial session. Our fully working
+connexion lets us respond to whatever connexion requirements.
+2) Install from the dvd at our leisure, without accessing Internet.
+3) The next time we are on the &quot;bus&quot;, we again access Internet, to
+install/update as we wish. Our installed system lets us respond to
+whatever connexion requirements.
+
+Another approach would be to use a live cd, instead of a dvd, but the
+dvd would likely give a more complete install the first time.
+
+As Dave notes, in North America such free access would likely occur in a
+hotel.
+Free access also occurs here in many restaurants and downtown cores, but
+I don't know if such cases would generally have license or password
+restrictions for connexion.
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2011-10-19 09:06, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Actually, I just went back to the Mandriva site to look this up again on
+</I>&gt;<i> one of my older posts from MDV2007! Maybe someone could take a peek and
+</I>&gt;<i> see if Mageia could make it work?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=64910">http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=64910</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I submitted this as a bug, but one of the temporary fixes that seems to
+work is doing this in the TVCard Configuration module
+(MCC-&gt;Hardware-&gt;Browse and Configure Hardware-&gt;TVCard-&gt;Configure
+Module). Go to the line that says video_nr and put in the number
+assigned to your card (mine is 1)
+
+This seems to work with me.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i> I submitted this as a bug, but one of the temporary fixes that seems
+</I>&gt;<i> to work is doing this in the TVCard Configuration module
+</I>&gt;<i> (MCC-&gt;Hardware-&gt;Browse and Configure Hardware-&gt;TVCard-&gt;Configure
+</I>&gt;<i> Module). Go to the line that says video_nr and put in the number
+</I>&gt;<i> assigned to your card (mine is 1)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems to work with me.
+</I>
+Salut Marc,
+
+Sounds like something you could document in the new wiki, when it is
+active (within a week, probably). (The old wiki is frozen for the
+conversion.)
+
+&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+Regards :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only solution I can think of, would be for the installer to include
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at least one functional web browser, with the option to start it once
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> network has been configured.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Coming in a bit late, but I see a simple solution, if one adds a few
+</I>&gt;<i> assumptions :
+</I>
+I've wondered about this for a while. The boot.iso is trivially small
+compared to the size of a DVD or even a CD. Would it not be possible to
+add enough to it in the way of a browser, video drivers, and wireless
+tools/drivers to allow stage 1 to
+
+(a) have the same level of network access as a finished system
+(b) offer the same graphical environment as stage 2
+(c) offer the option during connect of opening a browser
+
+Given the amount of available room in boot.iso, there's really no reason
+to limit its wireless and graphical capabilities, no ?
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+&gt;<i> On 11/08/2011 12:46 AM, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only solution I can think of, would be for the installer to include
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> at least one functional web browser, with the option to start it once
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> network has been configured.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Coming in a bit late, but I see a simple solution, if one adds a few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> assumptions :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've wondered about this for a while. The boot.iso is trivially small
+</I>&gt;<i> compared to the size of a DVD or even a CD. Would it not be possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> add enough to it in the way of a browser, video drivers, and wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> tools/drivers to allow stage 1 to
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (a) have the same level of network access as a finished system
+</I>&gt;<i> (b) offer the same graphical environment as stage 2
+</I>&gt;<i> (c) offer the option during connect of opening a browser
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Given the amount of available room in boot.iso, there's really no reason
+</I>&gt;<i> to limit its wireless and graphical capabilities, no ?
+</I>
+NO.
+We wont bloat the boot.iso.
+
+If you want more functions than boot.iso, use dual or live iso
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 08 november 2011 18:53:26 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+&gt;<i> Frank Griffin skrev 8.11.2011 14:23:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 11/08/2011 12:46 AM, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; David W. Hodgins a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; The only solution I can think of, would be for the installer to include
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; at least one functional web browser, with the option to start it once
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; network has been configured.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;<i> We wont bloat the boot.iso.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want more functions than boot.iso, use dual or live iso
+</I>[...]
+
+What thomas says here, is that the dual arch CD iso has about what you'll want
+for this, it can install a very basic system, which you can improve by
+installing more later (when your internet is working), or, even rescue mode
+(which is on that CD also) is a bit more than boot.iso .
+
+furthermore, stage2 needs to be fetched when you're doing network install, so
+it's not on boot.iso.
+
+and lastly, iirc the boot.iso is generated from the same code as the
+installers and livecd etc... if you want these extra functions, it'll need to
+be inside that, which would make the boot part of install CDs too big for
+anything else to fit on it...
+
+So, no.
+
+It's perfectly possible to do with with dual arch CD installer or the liveCD .
+network installs is meant for an installation where you have netinstall
+servers locally, or at least a stable and fast network, since this'll take a
+while to fetch everything.
+
+AND if you do know what you're doing, as said before, you can use wget or
+netcat to get the job done, allthough i agree that it's far from simple to
+actually do that.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;<i> We wont bloat the boot.iso.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Uh, why ? What possible downside does a larger boot.iso have ?
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+&gt;<i> On 11/08/2011 12:53 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We wont bloat the boot.iso.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uh, why ? What possible downside does a larger boot.iso have ?
+</I>
+
+Because it's designed to be as small as possible, only containing
+enough to get a network install going.
+
+With all the stuff needed to do what you want, _thats_ what the
+dual iso is built for (or livecds for that matter).
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Frank Griffin skrev 8.11.2011 23:12:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/08/2011 12:53 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We wont bloat the boot.iso.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uh, why ? What possible downside does a larger boot.iso have ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because it's designed to be as small as possible, only containing
+</I>&gt;<i> enough to get a network install going.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With all the stuff needed to do what you want, _thats_ what the
+</I>&gt;<i> dual iso is built for (or livecds for that matter).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As you may have noticed not ALL 3G-modems &amp; Wifi-cards can't be used in
+the boot-iso. How do you plan on solving that?
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 2011-11-08 22:33:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Frank Griffin skrev 8.11.2011 23:12:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/08/2011 12:53 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We wont bloat the boot.iso.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Uh, why ? What possible downside does a larger boot.iso have ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because it's designed to be as small as possible, only containing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enough to get a network install going.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With all the stuff needed to do what you want, _thats_ what the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dual iso is built for (or livecds for that matter).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you may have noticed not ALL 3G-modems&amp; Wifi-cards can't be used in
+</I>&gt;<i> the boot-iso. How do you plan on solving that?
+</I>
+I dont. It's out of the scope of the boot.iso
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On 11/08/2011 03:18 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> What thomas says here, is that the dual arch CD iso has about what
+</I>&gt;<i> you'll want for this, it can install a very basic system, which you
+</I>&gt;<i> can improve by installing more later (when your internet is working),
+</I>&gt;<i> or, even rescue mode (which is on that CD also) is a bit more than
+</I>&gt;<i> boot.iso .
+</I>
+Well, my interest is much less in the case on the bus than in the
+ability to do wireless network installs as easily as wired ones. And to
+be able to do a full install in one pass.
+
+
+&gt;<i> furthermore, stage2 needs to be fetched when you're doing network
+</I>&gt;<i> install, so it's not on boot.iso
+</I>
+Understood, but if the parts of stage2 needed for this can fit on
+boot.iso, who cares if it's in both ?
+
+&gt;<i> . and lastly, iirc the boot.iso is generated from the same code as the
+</I>&gt;<i> installers and livecd etc... if you want these extra functions, it'll
+</I>&gt;<i> need to be inside that, which would make the boot part of install CDs
+</I>&gt;<i> too big for anything else to fit on it.
+</I>
+Ah, well that's at least more sensible than NO. But it's not
+convincing. Anything requires change, and it's no more intrusive to
+modify the code generation not to put quasi-stage2 in those other places
+than it is to add it to boot.iso when it's generated as a standalone.
+
+&gt;<i> .. So, no. It's perfectly possible to do with with dual arch CD
+</I>&gt;<i> installer or the liveCD . network installs is meant for an
+</I>&gt;<i> installation where you have netinstall servers locally, or at least a
+</I>&gt;<i> stable and fast network
+</I>
+Yes, network install *is* meant for installation where I have a distro
+mirror on my local stable and fast network. Now tell me why I should
+have to carry my laptop to the basement and plug in an ethernet cable to
+do one :-)
+
+This is about more than getting around public network HTTP prompts.
+It's about enabling network install for more than the restricted wired
+access we currently provide for. The bus/hotel scenario can come along
+for the ride, but it's not the sole focus.
+
+If it is truly too painful to incluse a quasi-stage2 in boot.iso, then
+how about a separate bootwifi.iso ?
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+&gt;<i> Frank Griffin skrev 8.11.2011 23:12:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/08/2011 12:53 PM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We wont bloat the boot.iso.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uh, why ? What possible downside does a larger boot.iso have ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because it's designed to be as small as possible, only containing
+</I>&gt;<i> enough to get a network install going.
+</I>
+That's the whole point. You *can't* get a network install going without
+a wired NIC.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With all the stuff needed to do what you want, _thats_ what the
+</I>&gt;<i> dual iso is built for (or livecds for that matter).
+</I>
+I have no experience with the dual ISO, but are you saying that it will
+allow a network install via wireless, supporting all of the wireless
+NICs that an iinstalled system supports ?
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+<I>Marc Par&#233;
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+<I>andre999
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