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By delaying it until something is actually updated, they can +</I>><i> see everything. So a remote user with limited privileges could more easily +</I>><i> compromise the system. +</I> +They can use rpm -qa on the terminal to know what is installed. + +And they can use urpmq --auto-select to see the current update. + +In fact, one reason to not ask password before updating would simply be +to decide if we update now, or later, due to various network related +reason ( like using 3g, or slow wifi ). If I see a update of +libreoffice, I would prefer do it at home. + +And there is no technical reasons to ask for password before displaying +so I think we should ask it only for important reason ( ie, really +update ). +This would be consistent with others os ( os x ask the password only we +choose to update, so does Fedora/packagekit and Ubuntu/apt-daemon ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004905.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4900">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4900">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4900">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4900">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004901.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004901.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6cb19ac83 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004901.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C1309736934.10671.20.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I have several vms using +</I>><i> > virtualbox and a get random freezes after upgrade from Mandrova 2011.2, +</I>><i> > both 32 bit and 64 bit. +</I>><i> > Same on mdv cooker after upgrade from mdv 2011 and fresh install. it's +</I>><i> > not isolated to Mageia +</I>><i> > I cannot find anything in the logs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If I read this correctly, your VMs freeze, not your host OS? +</I>><i> Unfortunately, for me (using a mdv2011.2->mga1, 64bit, kernel-vserver +</I>><i> 2.6.38.7 system), the Mageia host freezes once I try to start a +</I>><i> VirtualBox VM (also without a single entry in the logs) using VB 4.0.8 +</I>><i> w/ enabled USB. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also, starting Gwenview from Thunderbird in order to display an attached +</I>><i> image might/might not kill the machine--not every time, but there are +</I>><i> _very_ long delays (>5mins) until I see the applications' window. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even connecting the mobile via USB may take 20-30 seconds (other USB +</I>><i> devices are fine, though). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This makes me wonder whether the USB stack/device detection is the +</I>><i> culprit...? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ad astra, Markus +</I> +Yes, still my guest freezes randomly, many times during an upgrade. mdv +2010.1/2 never did it but cooker does. +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004902.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004904.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4903">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4903">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4903">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4903">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004904.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004904.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d442bb1bd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004904.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Ciur3km%24ns4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004903.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004906.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>TJ</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Ciur3km%24ns4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">andrewsfarm at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 03:05:21 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004903.html">[Mageia-discuss] Freeze up +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004906.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4904">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4904">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4904">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4904">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/03/2011 04:51 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote: +><i> On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 06:37:09 PM <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A> wrote: +</I>>><i> So, not upgrading isn't an option? Saying no isn't possible? I can't +</I>>><i> just do it later? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> He's just a politician trying to save both his faces... +</I>>><i> ---------------------- +</I>>><i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +</I>>><i> 2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga x86_64 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This thread started because somebody was too lazy to enter his password before +</I>><i> seeing the list of updates. The above comment suggests that the tone of the +</I>><i> thread never got above that level. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does anybody know why the thread is continuing? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug. +</I>><i> +</I> +I don't understand it either, Doug. If he doesn't want to enter a +password, all he has to do is set it that way in MCC. + +Personally, I think he's idiotic. Let just anybody do updates? Not me. +Mageia, like Mandriva, sets the update password to the user password. +One of the first things I do is set it to the root password. + +TJ + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004903.html">[Mageia-discuss] Freeze up +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004906.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4904">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4904">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4904">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4904">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004905.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004905.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..31c29fecb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004905.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vx2mm10gn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004900.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004909.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>David W. Hodgins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vx2mm10gn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">davidwhodgins at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 03:34:03 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004900.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004909.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4905">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4905">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4905">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4905">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 19:46:59 -0400, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> And there is no technical reasons to ask for password before displaying +</I>><i> so I think we should ask it only for important reason ( ie, really +</I>><i> update ). +</I>><i> This would be consistent with others os ( os x ask the password only we +</I>><i> choose to update, so does Fedora/packagekit and Ubuntu/apt-daemon ). +</I> +As urpmi is currently written, that would mean running urpmq --auto-select, +as the regular user, and then, if the update is wanted (which should be +most of the time), running (as root) the urpmi --auto-select. + +On an older system like mine, that can waste quite a bit of time, and +would be an annoyance. + +Regards, Dave Hodgins +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004900.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004909.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4905">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4905">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4905">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4905">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004906.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004906.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fa6bebccb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004906.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJmd%2BxpL0o4Hqbc-oCxYWVgJQa0mZ9wBJ19SkqNWBTsrrQYwXA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004904.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004907.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJmd%2BxpL0o4Hqbc-oCxYWVgJQa0mZ9wBJ19SkqNWBTsrrQYwXA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 03:59:13 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004904.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004907.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4906">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4906">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4906">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4906">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 4 July 2011 03:05, TJ <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andrewsfarm at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On 07/03/2011 04:51 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 06:37:09 PM <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So, not upgrading isn't an option? Saying no isn't possible? I can't +</I>>>><i> just do it later? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> -- +</I>>>><i> He's just a politician trying to save both his faces... +</I>>>><i> ---------------------- +</I>>>><i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +</I>>>><i> 2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga x86_64 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This thread started because somebody was too lazy to enter his password +</I>>><i> before +</I>>><i> seeing the list of updates.  The above comment suggests that the tone of +</I>>><i> the +</I>>><i> thread never got above that level. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Does anybody know why the thread is continuing? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Doug. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't understand it either, Doug. If he doesn't want to enter a password, +</I>><i> all he has to do is set it that way in MCC. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally, I think he's idiotic. Let just anybody do updates? Not me. +</I>><i> Mageia, like Mandriva, sets the update password to the user password. One of +</I>><i> the first things I do is set it to the root password. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> TJ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +FWIW, I think discussions should be kept polite and cordial, calling +each other names isn't the right way to go. + +Also reading misc's email, other, more popular/widely-used, +applications do it that way, only ask for the password when actually +downloading/installing the updates, not to just display the list of +available updates. That's a valid enhancement request, IMHO. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004904.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004907.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4906">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4906">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4906">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4906">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004907.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004907.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b1c1f43e1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004907.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Ciur7jo%2492d%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004906.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004908.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>TJ</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Ciur7jo%2492d%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">andrewsfarm at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 04:13:12 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004906.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004908.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4907">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4907">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4907">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4907">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/03/2011 09:59 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: +><i> On 4 July 2011 03:05, TJ<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andrewsfarm at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On 07/03/2011 04:51 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 06:37:09 PM <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> So, not upgrading isn't an option? Saying no isn't possible? I can't +</I>>>>><i> just do it later? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> -- +</I>>>>><i> He's just a politician trying to save both his faces... +</I>>>>><i> ---------------------- +</I>>>>><i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +</I>>>>><i> 2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga x86_64 +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This thread started because somebody was too lazy to enter his password +</I>>>><i> before +</I>>>><i> seeing the list of updates. The above comment suggests that the tone of +</I>>>><i> the +</I>>>><i> thread never got above that level. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Does anybody know why the thread is continuing? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Doug. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't understand it either, Doug. If he doesn't want to enter a password, +</I>>><i> all he has to do is set it that way in MCC. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Personally, I think he's idiotic. Let just anybody do updates? Not me. +</I>>><i> Mageia, like Mandriva, sets the update password to the user password. One of +</I>>><i> the first things I do is set it to the root password. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> TJ +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> FWIW, I think discussions should be kept polite and cordial, calling +</I>><i> each other names isn't the right way to go. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also reading misc's email, other, more popular/widely-used, +</I>><i> applications do it that way, only ask for the password when actually +</I>><i> downloading/installing the updates, not to just display the list of +</I>><i> available updates. That's a valid enhancement request, IMHO. +</I>><i> +</I>Apologies. I left out the word "being" in the first sentence of the last +paragraph. I didn't mean to insult anybody. + +FWIW, I have been known to be idiotic from time to time, more often than +I should be, and I appreciate it when somebody points it out - as you +did *this* time. + +TJ + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004906.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004908.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4907">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4907">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4907">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4907">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004908.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004908.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..57c0548bc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004908.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E1125C8.6030900%40earthlink.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004907.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004910.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Duane Phinney</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E1125C8.6030900%40earthlink.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">genomega at earthlink.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 04:30:32 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004907.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004910.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4908">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4908">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4908">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4908">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/03/2011 08:59 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: +><i> On 4 July 2011 03:05, TJ <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andrewsfarm at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On 07/03/2011 04:51 AM, Doug Laidlaw wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 06:37:09 PM <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> So, not upgrading isn't an option? Saying no isn't possible? I can't +</I>>>>><i> just do it later? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> -- +</I>>>>><i> He's just a politician trying to save both his faces... +</I>>>>><i> ---------------------- +</I>>>>><i> Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +</I>>>>><i> 2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga x86_64 +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This thread started because somebody was too lazy to enter his password +</I>>>><i> before +</I>>>><i> seeing the list of updates. The above comment suggests that the tone of +</I>>>><i> the +</I>>>><i> thread never got above that level. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Does anybody know why the thread is continuing? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Doug. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't understand it either, Doug. If he doesn't want to enter a password, +</I>>><i> all he has to do is set it that way in MCC. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Personally, I think he's idiotic. Let just anybody do updates? Not me. +</I>>><i> Mageia, like Mandriva, sets the update password to the user password. One of +</I>>><i> the first things I do is set it to the root password. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> TJ +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> FWIW, I think discussions should be kept polite and cordial, calling +</I>><i> each other names isn't the right way to go. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also reading misc's email, other, more popular/widely-used, +</I>><i> applications do it that way, only ask for the password when actually +</I>><i> downloading/installing the updates, not to just display the list of +</I>><i> available updates. That's a valid enhancement request, IMHO. +</I>><i> +</I>This thread is way over my head I guess. Updates are not a suggestion, +they are security updates, bug fixes, updates of applications that you +have installed. It is not installing new programs on your computer. + + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004907.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004910.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4908">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4908">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4908">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4908">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004909.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004909.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2d3762904 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004909.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E113C04.30400%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004905.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004901.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E113C04.30400%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 06:05:24 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004905.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004901.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4909">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4909">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4909">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4909">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le samedi 02 juillet 2011 à 19:40 -0400, andre999 a écrit : +</I>>><i> Anne nicolas a écrit : +</I>>>><i> 2011/7/2 Romain d'Alverny<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>>>><i> Le 2 juil. 2011 à 17:14, andre999<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> a écrit : +</I>>>>>><i> Suppose during the update process you have a check box to put a particular update on +</I>>>>>><i> the skip list, or another to uninstall the corresponding package. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> That would be an interesting option to investigate. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Note that if you can't uninstall a package because it is required, it is usually +</I>>>>>><i> inadvisable skip updates, unless you really understand the issues. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> So the user is stuck: unadvisable to skip the updates, unless she understands the issues +</I>>>>><i> => just make the update automatic in a background task by default then; one doesn't care +</I>>>>><i> about the issues - or won't have a single clue about it either, unless being a specific +</I>>>>><i> type of user that would know how to disable this auto update setting anyway). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Changing when the password is requested would reduce the security for the system, as +</I>>>>>><i> unauthorised users could see what is installed. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Unauthorised users using an authorised session, to be more specific. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Such a situation is far from rare in multi-user environments. +</I>>><i> But also if someone doesn't know the root password, currently they can't see +</I>>><i> what is installed. By delaying it until something is actually updated, they can +</I>>><i> see everything. So a remote user with limited privileges could more easily +</I>>><i> compromise the system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They can use rpm -qa on the terminal to know what is installed. +</I> +True. And those more likely to present security problems would know how to use +the terminal. + +><i> And they can use urpmq --auto-select to see the current update. +</I> +Ok. + +><i> In fact, one reason to not ask password before updating would simply be +</I>><i> to decide if we update now, or later, due to various network related +</I>><i> reason ( like using 3g, or slow wifi ). If I see a update of +</I>><i> libreoffice, I would prefer do it at home. +</I> +I do that sort of thing a lot myself. For the same reason. + +><i> And there is no technical reasons to ask for password before displaying +</I>><i> so I think we should ask it only for important reason ( ie, really +</I>><i> update ). +</I>><i> This would be consistent with others os ( os x ask the password only we +</I>><i> choose to update, so does Fedora/packagekit and Ubuntu/apt-daemon ). +</I> +You convinced me. +(Maybe I tend to be a little overly concerned about security.) + +So there are 2 things I'd like to see. +- Moving the password requirement to just before actual update. +- Adding rpmdrake feature to put a specific package (exact version) in the skip +list in an advanced mode. (Much like the advanced mode of diskdrake.) +With an option to edit the skip list to remove items. +(I know I could edit the skip list via the console, but it would be easier and +less subject to typos in rpmdrake. And I'm a bit lazy.) +-- +André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004905.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004901.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4909">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4909">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4909">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4909">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004910.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004910.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..88c653d3d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004910.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107041025.58214.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004908.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004911.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107041025.58214.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 10:25:58 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004908.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4910">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4910">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4910">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4910">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>måndagen den 4 juli 2011 04.30.32 skrev Duane Phinney: + +><i> Updates are not a suggestion, +</I>><i> they are security updates, bug fixes, updates of applications that you +</I>><i> have installed. It is not installing new programs on your computer. +</I> +Updates do break things even if they technically should not. + +Yesterdays example: my bank refuse login after i updated firefox, saying it is +an unsupported browser. Technically it is not and lucklily i have saved the +URL to step past the browser check, but my wife would have been locked out, +and * banking is a very important usage case *. +(and yes i have sent a bug report to the bank.) + +Two yers ago i have had problems with Parallels virtualiser that did not work +on kernels later than a certain update and they never fixed it despite repeated +promises. + +Theese are just examples. + +( This is not Linux only, my fathers ASUSA600 fail hibernating since some +WinXP updates, and my sons WinXP fail connecting trough wifi since some updates +and stubbornly reinstalls the borked driver. ( I am not sawy on Windows to +mend this, and it will soon turn Mageia instead ;) ) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004908.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4910">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4910">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4910">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4910">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004911.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004911.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f46d37d70 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004911.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Ciusale%24nus%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004910.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004912.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>TJ</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Ciusale%24nus%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">andrewsfarm at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 14:11:26 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004910.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004912.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4911">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4911">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4911">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4911">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/04/2011 04:25 AM, Morgan Leijström wrote: +><i> måndagen den 4 juli 2011 04.30.32 skrev Duane Phinney: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Updates are not a suggestion, +</I>>><i> they are security updates, bug fixes, updates of applications that you +</I>>><i> have installed. It is not installing new programs on your computer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Updates do break things even if they technically should not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yesterdays example: my bank refuse login after i updated firefox, saying it is +</I>><i> an unsupported browser. Technically it is not and lucklily i have saved the +</I>><i> URL to step past the browser check, but my wife would have been locked out, +</I>><i> and * banking is a very important usage case *. +</I>><i> (and yes i have sent a bug report to the bank.) +</I>><i> +</I>My bank's site warned me about it, but they let it go through, +essentially saying, "If it doesn't work right it's not our fault." Same +thing when I used Chromium 11 and 12. But of course all worked just fine. + +><i> Two yers ago i have had problems with Parallels virtualiser that did not work +</I>><i> on kernels later than a certain update and they never fixed it despite repeated +</I>><i> promises. +</I>><i> +</I>I remember a kernel update for Mandriva broke things on some computers, +including mine, a few years ago. Badly, but I don't remember the details +now. Fortunately, Mandriva always left the old kernel intact, and I was +able to log on, remove the bad kernel and go on about my business. IIRC, +it took about a week for the Mandriva guys to fix the problem and issue +another update. I hope Mageia follows the same policy of retaining the +old kernel, just in case. + +TJ + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004910.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004912.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4911">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4911">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4911">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4911">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004912.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004912.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3da859b02 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004912.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJmd%2BxrEwwkt7jVXE5NuVDgWt86MfcWj6KYC_9kWa9NRw5XvgQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004911.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004913.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAJmd%2BxrEwwkt7jVXE5NuVDgWt86MfcWj6KYC_9kWa9NRw5XvgQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 22:30:03 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004913.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4912">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4912">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4912">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4912">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 4 July 2011 14:11, TJ <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andrewsfarm at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On 07/04/2011 04:25 AM, Morgan Leijström wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> måndagen den 4 juli 2011 04.30.32 skrev  Duane Phinney: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Updates are not a suggestion, +</I>>>><i> they are security updates, bug fixes, updates of applications that you +</I>>>><i> have installed. It is not installing new programs on your computer. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Updates do break things even if they technically should not. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yesterdays example: my bank refuse login after i updated firefox, saying +</I>>><i> it is +</I>>><i> an unsupported browser.  Technically it is not and lucklily i have saved +</I>>><i> the +</I>>><i> URL to step past the browser check, but my wife would have been locked +</I>>><i> out, +</I>>><i> and * banking is a very important usage case *. +</I>>><i> (and yes i have sent a bug report to the bank.) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> My bank's site warned me about it, but they let it go through, essentially +</I>><i> saying, "If it doesn't work right it's not our fault." Same thing when I +</I>><i> used Chromium 11 and 12. But of course all worked just fine. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Two yers ago i have had problems with Parallels virtualiser that did not +</I>>><i> work +</I>>><i> on kernels later than a certain update and they never fixed it despite +</I>>><i> repeated +</I>>><i> promises. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I remember a kernel update for Mandriva broke things on some computers, +</I>><i> including mine, a few years ago. Badly, but I don't remember the details +</I>><i> now. Fortunately, Mandriva always left the old kernel intact, and I was able +</I>><i> to log on, remove the bad kernel and go on about my business. IIRC, it took +</I>><i> about a week for the Mandriva guys to fix the problem and issue another +</I>><i> update. I hope Mageia follows the same policy of retaining the old kernel, +</I>><i> just in case. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> TJ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +New kernels don't replace old ones in Mageia too. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004913.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4912">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4912">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4912">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4912">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004913.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004913.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ed2fc2b9a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004913.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E12253E.30508%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004912.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004914.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E12253E.30508%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 22:40:30 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004912.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004914.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4913">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4913">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4913">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4913">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Morgan Leijström a écrit : +><i> måndagen den 4 juli 2011 04.30.32 skrev Duane Phinney: +</I> + +><i> Yesterdays example: my bank refuse login after i updated firefox, saying it is +</I>><i> an unsupported browser. Technically it is not and lucklily i have saved the +</I>><i> URL to step past the browser check, but my wife would have been locked out, +</I>><i> and * banking is a very important usage case *. +</I>><i> (and yes i have sent a bug report to the bank.) +</I> +A little off topic, but I use Seamonkey, which is Firefox compatible, and a +fair number of sites say it is an unsupported browser. (Where Firefox is a +supported browser.) +Yet other sites see it as being Firefox itself. (Even though the agent +identifier doesn't contain Firefox. But it does contain Gecko, the Firefox + +Seamonkey engine.) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004912.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004914.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4913">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4913">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4913">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4913">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004914.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004914.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..186cc335e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/004914.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Cassp.0166329da3.4E122D63.30400%40drdos.info%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004913.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Doug Lytle</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3Cassp.0166329da3.4E122D63.30400%40drdos.info%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">support at drdos.info + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Jul 4 23:15:15 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004913.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4914">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4914">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4914">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4914">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>andre999 wrote: +><i> A little off topic, but I use Seamonkey, which is Firefox compatible, +</I>><i> and a fair number of sites say it is an unsupported browser. +</I> +And, being a SeaMonkey user as well, what I do is: + +about:config + +And change + +general.useragent.extra.seamonkey + +to + +Firefox/3.5.5 + +And the complaints go away. + + +Doug + +-- +Ben Franklin quote: + +"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004913.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4914">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4914">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4914">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4914">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..97687ea7b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110704/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 4 July 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>4 July 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Jul 4 01:46:59 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Jul 4 23:15:15 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 15<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="004905.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4905"> </A> +<I>David W. 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Hodgins +</I> + +<!--1 01309736819-01309752324- --> +<LI><A HREF="004909.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4909"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01309736934- --> +<LI><A HREF="004901.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4901"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--0 01309737012- --> +<LI><A HREF="004902.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4902"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--0 01309739898- --> +<LI><A HREF="004903.html">[Mageia-discuss] Freeze up +</A><A NAME="4903"> </A> +<I>Thomas Spuhler +</I> + +<!--0 01309741521- --> +<LI><A HREF="004904.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4904"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01309741521-01309744753- --> +<LI><A HREF="004906.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4906"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01309741521-01309744753-01309745592- --> +<LI><A HREF="004907.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4907"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<!--2 01309741521-01309744753-01309746632- --> +<LI><A HREF="004908.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4908"> </A> +<I>Duane Phinney +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01309741521-01309744753-01309746632-01309767958- --> +<LI><A HREF="004910.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4910"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<!--3 01309741521-01309744753-01309746632-01309767958-01309781486- --> +<LI><A HREF="004911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4911"> </A> +<I>TJ +</I> + +<!--3 01309741521-01309744753-01309746632-01309767958-01309781486-01309811403- --> +<LI><A HREF="004912.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4912"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01309741521-01309744753-01309746632-01309767958-01309812030- --> +<LI><A HREF="004913.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4913"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01309741521-01309744753-01309746632-01309767958-01309812030-01309814115- --> +<LI><A HREF="004914.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4914"> </A> +<I>Doug Lytle +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Mon Jul 4 23:15:15 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jul 4 23:15:21 CEST 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |