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By delaying it until something is actually updated, they can +see everything. So a remote user with limited privileges could more easily +compromise the system. + +>><i> Security is important. But that's orthogonal to a pleasant/efficient experience. +</I>>><i> Which is important too. We are aiming at making things for people. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This may not affect you personnally, but such an option would best not be the +</I>>>><i> default, to protect other systems. So it could be more complicated than the +</I>>>><i> changes suggested above, and would only save you a few seconds. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> "a few seconds" is already a lot for everyone (and even more if the notification +</I>>><i> breaks your focus). Multiply this by the times such a notification occurs for a +</I>>><i> typical desktop system, you have a lot of valuable time wasted here. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That's not such a ludicrous idea; improving the person experience with the system +</I>>><i> so she can focus on her task and not on the tool is clearly one of our goals. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> But indeed, perhaps it only requires making this more obvious (that is, integrated +</I>>><i> in the user flow and interface), how to use the existing options. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Imho those 2 things are bad ideas: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - having updates in background: Interesting thing in Linux is to learn +</I>><i> people about their system. If they do not want details, then fine we +</I>><i> can just a way to switch from general mode to detailed one. +</I> +That's one thing I like about Linux. Being able to readily monitor updates in +detail. + +><i> - giving the possibility of adding easily packages to skip.list is the +</I>><i> best way to break updates of end users systems. They will skip some +</I>><i> updates when it's too long for example, without really being aware of +</I>><i> what they do. +</I> +That was part of my concerns. + +><i> Then if an incoming update depends on a specific version +</I>><i> of skipped package it will just break. I would rather add this as an +</I>><i> advanced option in rpmdrake +</I> +I agree. +Maybe an advanced mode, like in diskdrake. (which I use judiciously) + +>><i> +</I>>><i> Romain +</I> +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4890">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4890">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4890">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4890">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |